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Old 04-05-2021, 16:47   #1
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OK, this should be entertaining

Many of you have been trying to talk me into leaving California for many years, and it's looking like you will get your wish. Maybe not immediately, but soon enough. The wife just decided we need to go ASAP! So, now we have to decide where.

Kindly recommend alternative places to live and explain both the advantages and disadvantages. This is a serious question, but y'all have fun! I will tell you that the leading (but not only) candidates right now are Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Florida.

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Old 04-05-2021, 17:49   #2
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I will just warn you not to be wooed by the "no income tax" siren. Income eventually goes away or is greatly reduced, property taxes NEVER go away and go up. Remember the purpose behind Prop. 13, retirees could not keep up with rising property taxes. My sister and BiL loved to brag about "no income tax" in Texas, but now that they are retired, with little income, their property tax is still climbing.

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Old 04-05-2021, 18:01   #3
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Stay away from NM. Just a low populated little brother to CA.
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Old 04-05-2021, 18:25   #4
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I lived 50yrs in South Florida

I love the weather but hate the politics of the Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade counties.

The outdoor life is the best bar-none but tends to be youth concentric. After I reached 60 the knees did not cheer when I left the dock. Neither a day poling the flats nor trowling 30 miles off-shore. BUTT, hunting from tree stands? OK

Hurricanes are kinda personal, some people hate them, others just grin, get their shi$$ together and have a party. Additionally, flood & windstorm insurance can be a major part of a budget. The physical key is understanding FEMA's flood zones. If you live in an evac area, you need a relly point out of state.

If I were to return, I would look at something within 50 miles of Disney, along the I4, Tampa to Orlando corridor.

Down side: Hurricanes, Pythons & Gators, and too many Democrats..

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Old 04-05-2021, 19:12   #6
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I'm right behind you RL.

I'm in the Inland Empire but can't wait to get the hell out of the People's Republik of Kalifornia. I'm finding that location though is going to be a tough decision.

A dry climate with warm weather leaves me with basically west Texas, New Mexico or Arizona. I've also read a few articles about serious water shortages in this region in the coming decades because of climate change and domestic migration.

Still have a few years to think about it.
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Old 04-06-2021, 01:02   #7
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I lived 50yrs in South Florida

I love the weather but hate the politics of the Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade counties.

The outdoor life is the best bar-none but tends to be youth concentric. After I reached 60 the knees did not cheer when I left the dock. Neither a day poling the flats nor trowling 30 miles off-shore. BUTT, hunting from tree stands? OK

Hurricanes are kinda personal, some people hate them, others just grin, get their shi$$ together and have a party. Additionally, flood & windstorm insurance can be a major part of a budget. The physical key is understanding FEMA's flood zones. If you live in an evac area, you need a relly point out of state.

If I were to return, I would look at something within 50 miles of Disney, along the I4, Tampa to Orlando corridor.

Down side: Hurricanes, Pythons & Gators, and too many Democrats..

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Yeah, but hunting pythons and feral pigs could occupy one’s time nicely.
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Old 04-06-2021, 06:00   #8
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Tennessee is the worst state in the Union! No Advantages here "Move Along"
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Old 04-06-2021, 14:05   #9
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Yeah, but hunting pythons and feral pigs could occupy one’s time nicely.
and put vittles on the BBQ
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Old 04-07-2021, 11:22   #10
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Many of you have been trying to talk me into leaving California for many years, and it's looking like you will get your wish. Maybe not immediately, but soon enough. The wife just decided we need to go ASAP! So, now we have to decide where.

Kindly recommend alternative places to live and explain both the advantages and disadvantages. This is a serious question, but y'all have fun! I will tell you that the leading (but not only) candidates right now are Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Florida.


why Texas?

weather = three seasons 1. freezing cold 2. tornadoes 3. small children go outside & burst into flames (this would normally be called summertime).

as with most places, larger cities are bad news. Traffic in DFW is getting bad, really bad. (think I5 or 405 during rush hour.........)

Taxes, not perfect but better than average. Property taxes vary depending on location.

If you purchase land in sufficient quantity, it can qualify for agricultural exemption from property taxes. Amount of land needed varies depending on location. Also you'll need definite agricultural activity on the land or have the land declared habitat.
Doesn't eliminate property taxes but cuts them down to damn near nothing.,

Homesteading declaration on the land makes it illegal to seize it at state level if my understanding of that is correct.

Laws pretty decent albeit imperfect. Theft of private property, improperly referred to as "asset forfeiture" is popular with LE down here.

Other parts of the law, Tx penal code 38.02 being one example, are better than average.

LE and how they behave? From what I've experienced it is the same thing, know the law to protect yourself as there are untrustworthy LE here. Be polite however understand what you are dealing with.
Concealed carry is easy to get and on average LE here has no issue with it.


tornadoes? no big deal. I went through the Northridge earthquake, I was in echo park when it happened.
Tornadoes compared to earthquakes? I'll take tornadoes any day of the week and twice on sunday. No comparision, much easier to deal with.

Culture? same story some of the larger cities are either leftist or lean that direction, rural areas is very traditional. Voting maps show this clearly.

Politics? We have a bill in our legislature to develop a secession plan, if it passes that plan will be put to a public vote. secession from the US is also an official part of the state republican party platform. That speaks for itself.

Gov Abbott: less than perfect but better than average. Were we turning democrat he would not be in office and judging from where things stand right now, he'll win reelection easily.

The idea this state will turn democrat? I don't see that happening. Too much of the truth of the democrat socialists has been revealed to the public and that truth has been accepted by the public here.
People don't openly talk about it but once they do speak perhaps in private, they know and they don't want it.
Austin is the leftist butthole of this state. Not a proper example of the state overall.
mask law BS is one good example. I quit wearing a mask early on and nobody said a word to me about it. Privately at the counter of a lot of businesses people would state "screw the mask, its BS"
Walked right by a cop in a walmart & I had no mask on and he never even glanced at me. I was prepared to invoke section 19 of the Governors EO if he decided to make an issue of it however he didn't even glance at me.


Private property rights here are heavy duty. Laws reflect that very much. an individual can legally be shot depending on what they do in regards to private property.

Public land> there is very little here such as you have in the PRK, ie: going motorcycling, shooting, and so forth in the desert out there.

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Old 04-07-2021, 17:56   #11
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Politics? We have a bill in our legislature to develop a secession plan, if it passes that plan will be put to a public vote. secession from the US is also an official part of the state republican party platform. That speaks for itself.
This question was settled in 1865. It ain't gonna fly. I believe it was Grant that said that, except for the original 13 states, the rest were bought and paid for by the others. Unless Texas, or any other state, is willing to pay back the other states for their blood and treasure expenditures, it's DOA.

I do agree with tornadoes vs. earthquakes. There's no doppler radar for earthquakes and the damage footprint is MUCH smaller.
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Old 04-07-2021, 18:07   #12
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This question was settled in 1865. It ain't gonna fly. I believe it was Grant that said that, except for the original 13 states, the rest were bought and paid for by the others. Unless Texas, or any other state, is willing to pay back the other states for their blood and treasure expenditures, it's DOA.

I do agree with tornadoes vs. earthquakes. There's no doppler radar for earthquakes and the damage footprint is MUCH smaller.
Every time the topic of separation comes up it makes me chuckle....

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Old 04-07-2021, 19:18   #13
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Separation of ANY State:

China will not permit this....
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China will not permit this....
We need clear borders also. The migrants would not except the goal post being moved.
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Old 04-08-2021, 05:16   #15
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This question was settled in 1865. It ain't gonna fly. I believe it was Grant that said that, except for the original 13 states, the rest were bought and paid for by the others. Unless Texas, or any other state, is willing to pay back the other states for their blood and treasure expenditures, it's DOA.
I heard that the British once subscribed to the same philosophy and the will of the people helped them see the error of their assumptions.
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