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MR2 08-07-2015 18:08

Load Bearing Equipment
I use the term Load Bearing Equipment to both date myself and for lack of a more correct label.

Have amassed the weapons and magazines. Now I need the nylon that goes with them. So many new things out there. Just wanted to tap into the recent experience with the current equipment and solicit recommendations.

Recommendations of styles and manufactures to use and/or avoid is appreciated.

Slings: precision rifle, battle rifle, patrol carbine, home defense shotgun, AR pistol,

Carrier: harness, vest or carrier? Plates - .308 @ 100m, 5.56 @ 50m, pistol @ 2m?


Velcro or MOLLE?

Mag pouches: Magpuls 20/25 in .308 and 30 in 5.56; Shingles, closed tops, hybrid?

Ranger pulls?

Average operating temperature is 45-55F. Plains to woods to mountains.

Pictures and links are really appreciated.


Golf1echo 08-09-2015 09:09

A couple of sources I think are definitely worth a look at: Mayflower Research and Consulting and : Velocity Systems

This equipment is functional and light... developed with the military athlete in mind. Very comfortable and compact. The principals are dedicated and experienced!

Go Devil 08-09-2015 10:57

I'm not a wealthy man, and tailored the following items to fit my similar needs:

Slick plate carrier offers options for wear under a jacket around the river while carrying concealed. If I choose to carry the AR, I can add the following 5.56 chest rig. If carrying the M1A, I can change over to the 7.62 chest rig.
The plate carrier is well made and is the least expensive, American made product that I have found. It is designed to carry steel rifle plates. No issues with hardware or design.

Least expensive option for ballistic protection. I opted for the additional spall protection and the side plates. I used the side plates for testing the quality of steel.

Least expensive option for quality 5.56 and is well engineered and very well made. Pockets on back side are useful for stowing additional items or dumping spare mags.

Well made 7.62 rig, but didn't like the straps so I ordered straps from Ares Armor (like the ones on the 5.56 rig) and clicked them into this rig and am very happy. Pockets on the back side of this rig as well.

I am happy with the following single point sling, but opinions may vary.

I like the open top style of pouches with bungee retention. The bungees can be slipped to the side easy enough. If the debris field is an issue, I insert the mags with the rounds down. I have added holsters to the rear (in the pockets) in similar positions so as to transfer the handgun. I find no need for "pulls" with open top.
Plenty of room for adding additional pouches (IFAK) if needed utilizing the MOLLE.
All of these items are easily ditchable should I go overboard. The items are very modular, but all feel the same and are not too bulky or "Geartard" at the local range. I tried to keep it as simple as possible and the wife and daughter aren't confused when changing platforms. We have additional plate carriers in the same format.
Hopefully, this is helpful.

therunningwolf 08-09-2015 18:35

Velocity and Mayflower make good kit. I have the Mayflower APC for a work rig and love it. Velocity's scarab is nice as well

Another good company that makes about the best sling you can own as well as some very low profile and good pouches and rig is Blue Force Gear. There RACKminus is nice, and I am eyeing the BELTminus V2 right now. The belt pouches are also awesome.

ATS Aegis plate carrier is a nice rig,

if side armor isn't a requirement and you are just wanting front and back rifle plates Milan is good people, and makes good gear.

For running multiple calibers HSGI TACO's are awesome, though a pain in the tail to install. If you have the time/ ability to change out your gear, owning a dedicated 7.62 chest rig and dedicated 5.56 chest using the swiftclip system is a good option.

Travis Haley has some real nice chest rigs that can hook up to a plate carrier via swift clips also, 1 a dedicated 5.56 and the other a dedicated 7.62 rig. The rigs are expensive, but by the time you buy a good chest rig, and then pouches, the prices are about the same.

I get all my armor (Velocity) through Mike at AT. Mike is good people, he will put you on the right azimuth, even if that azimuth is a loss for him.

As stated above, my work rig is a Mayflower APC with front, back, and side Velocity IIIA backers and front and back Velocity P34 plates. The plates alone are IIIA and will take a couple rounds of 7.62, but add in the backers and they will stop 1 round of 30-06. That armor setup will run you about $1000, but it's a solid setup.

If you are going to be doing a lot of walking, you will probably get more use out of this: with this:

Javadrinker 08-10-2015 08:40

If you look a Haley Strategic for the chest rigs, look at the flat pack also.

pyreaux 08-10-2015 09:25

Can't vouch for their use for your needs but I'm sure others here can. If you like the style of the haley D3CR but want something customized you can contact extreme gear labs and discuss it with them. He also makes kits to adapt the haley rig to other carriers. He's a member here but I haven't seen him post much lately. Look up VOCR to see variants of his work.

Roguish Lawyer 03-27-2021 12:41

Resurrecting this thread to start a discussion about LBE accessories (mag holders, etc.) and how you have them set up on the vest. Photos and links to sellers of accessories encouraged!


Paslode 03-27-2021 16:10

I do a good amount of local commuting daily so when the 2020 'mostly' peaceful protest got chippy, traffic being blocked and stranded drivers being accosted by thugs with long guns I began thinking about the what if's.

I narrowed down my search to the Ferro Concepts Slickster and T.Rex Arms AC1

Both carriers are versatile, practical, portable, concealable, easy to store and easy to accessorize.

My Ferro Slickster has a Kangaroo Pouch and a Mini Dangler, both of which can be removed or attached very quickly.

The Kangaroo Pouch can carry (3) AR/AK style mags, or other gadgets, or 3 bottle of water.

The Mini Dangler is essentially a front mounted Fanny Pack. Good for flashlight, pistol mags, bottle of water and a candy bar or two.

With Hesco L210's it weighs in about 12lbs

My AND/OR option:

HSGI Cobra Belt with HSGI Sure-Grip padded Belt, HSGI Suspenders and some LBT Mag pouches.

Razor 03-27-2021 20:28


Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer (Post 668073)
Resurrecting this thread to start a discussion about LBE accessories (mag holders, etc.) and how you have them set up on the vest. Photos and links to sellers of accessories encouraged!

Are you looking for concealed options, low profile, or overt? What are you looking to carry?

Roguish Lawyer 03-28-2021 20:14


Originally Posted by Razor (Post 668086)
Are you looking for concealed options, low profile, or overt? What are you looking to carry?

Overt. Mags, med kit, other items one might want if dropped into a hostile place.

And to be clear I did not say this was for my personal use. Purely theoretical exercise. You do realize I live in California, right? If I owned a vest, I would adorn it solely with pretty flowers and incense sticks to please my Marxist overlords.

mark46th 03-29-2021 09:35

Ha-ha! You funny.

Badger52 03-29-2021 18:39


Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer (Post 668113)
Overt. Mags, med kit, other items one might want if dropped into a hostile place.

What, like Compton?

I haven't spent much on my stuff. It's not made by a famous former SOF name but it serves well, with less dollar output. A mix of internet One Tigris, Condor, and some MILSURP stuff given to me when a unit un-assed the base I worked at. (I love guys that are too lazy to pack.) And more MILSURP stuff sent from a very good friend; it's all a Heinz 57 kinda thing. And while it's nostalgia-time, my old Alice stuff just hangs there. The new shit is much better.

This approach works for me, and that is to split it up, or think in terms of layers. I run a battle-belt/warbelt/nomme du jour that is in the truck and goes with me just walking around some hunting property to make sure a certain adjacent crew haven't setup a meth lab in a valley at the other end. Couple extra AR mags, a holster for pistola, IFAK in its own pouch (reachable either hand), and a small pouch in which I can stuff an h/t if someone's back at the house that might actually listen. Oh, yeah, a field knife stays there. A warbelt approach - for me - is quick to don, light and has what I'm likely to need. I work to resist the temptation to load too much on to it, filling up space on the belt as guys do. That way it stays light & "grabbable."

For ramping it up (Compton time) I additionally have a plate carrier that has a 3-panel mag carrier on the front and an admin pouch as well as an additional rip-away med pouch and a snivel gear pouch on the back. I don't make judgements about whether people go with open or closed mag carriers; mine are closed. I live in all 4-seasons sometimes triple-canopy deciduous, along with snow or mud Do whatever works.

If going with a chest-rig or plate carrier I'd recommend getting some MOLLE capability on the sides vs. just connecting straps/buckles front to back. There always seems to be one more thing you'd like to hang on the side where it's handy but out of the way more, even if it's just a place to stuff a water bottle, or route a radio or some other piece of gear. This particular setup also has the comms on-board linking with like-minded neighbors running same gear, same SOI, etc.

Good luck, er, uh, to your friend.

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