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Old 02-02-2017, 09:47   #31
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I know it's a minor point, but I suggest we no longer refer to the Occupy Democrats and various other agi-prop groups as Liberals. This would also include the new Democrat party - i.e. Schumer, Warren, Pelozi, and the like.

These clowns are anything but in the true meaning of Liberal as exemplified by Archibald Macleish (1930' and 40's) or John F. Kennedy (1960's).

Their tactics, their messaging, their rhetoric, and their philosophy is more accurately called "Neo-Fascist". Therefore, from now on, I will refer to these clowns as either the "Left" or more accurately, "Neo-Fascists". They simply are not worthy of being referred to as Liberal.

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Why not "communists" or "socialists"? Many of them adhere to Marx's teachings. Socialist Action even has a Marxist Education section on their website. One of Lenin's main tactics in bringing down the Czar (before open warfare) was anarchy. Today we're seeing the same playbook.
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:29   #32
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Sarah Silverman calls for military overthrow of legitimate government.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ent-trump.html

Sounds like Ms. Silverman should be indicted for sedition. These people need to be taught a lesson about the rule of law.
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:36   #33
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Sarah Silverman calls for military overthrow of legitimate government.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ent-trump.html

Sounds like Ms. Silverman should be indicted for sedition. These people need to be taught a lesson about the rule of law.
I've gotta think that calling for a Coup and inciting violence warrants a visit and temporary survellience at least. These useful idiots all walk so close to the line they have chalk on their shoes...these idiots (Madonna, Handler, Silverman, etc.,) must know that they whip up the masses.
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Didn't George cLOONEY and several of his friends call for a Hollywood strike until Trump resigns? Really wish they'd go ahead and follow through with that...of course, I'm sure most of them are living in their beloved Canada, now. Oh...that's right, Canada's immigration policies prevented them from easily walking in and setting up shop. It's strange how they never say, "I'm moving to Mexico!" or Venezuela, where so many of them advocated for Maduro and his brand of socialism. Maybe we can convince them to rally in the forgiving streets of Asadabad.
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:04   #35
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I've gotta think that calling for a Coup and inciting violence warrants a visit and temporary survellience at least. These useful idiots all walk so close to the line they have chalk on their shoes...these idiots (Madonna, Handler, Silverman, etc.,) must know that they whip up the masses.
I'd rather like to see it as a chalk outline.
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Old 02-02-2017, 13:54   #36
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Sarah Silverman has the IQ of a condom

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Sarah Silverman calls for military overthrow of legitimate government.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ent-trump.html

Sounds like Ms. Silverman should be indicted for sedition. These people need to be taught a lesson about the rule of law.
And the people that actually listen to her, even lower.
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Old 02-02-2017, 15:35   #37
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...now seriously. Do you really believe that? I think you are just posting that out of sheer spite. You read something that caused your temper to flare and decided to post something abrasive and divisive.
Being divisive out of spite is what neo-fascists like 'fake tears schumer' and 'tell them youre a muslim pelosi' do.
You're better than that.

A condom protects the user and the partner from disease...
...it helps prevent unwanted pregnancy
...it is versatile - you can use it to keep dirt out of a gun barrel
...it is pliable - one size will fit a wide range of people
...it is blind to race, creed, and religion - it doesn't discriminate
...it doesn't interfere with your activity
...it doesn't judge - you can use it on whoever you please
...if you are imaginative, you can even use it like a party balloon
...it understands that once you are finished with it, you get rid of it

Sarah Silverman is not very versatile at all - her way or the highway.
...she doesn't safeguard health, she encourages violence
...she isn't very versatile - her comedy is weak and her hit movies are nonexistent
...she is obsessed by categorizing people by their "identity group"
...she is clearly hyper-judgmental and prejudiced of those who don't fit into her 'mold'
...she cant help but interfere in the lives of others - and even dares to incite insurrection
...her "foil wrapper" was ripped open and cast away decades ago

Yet, you would still put her on the same pedestal as a condom.
...even the free generic condoms that the Army gives away have satisfied more people than Ms Silverman.

You should apologize to the lowly prophylactic for being so dismissive of its value.
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Old 02-02-2017, 15:36   #38
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Why not "communists" or "socialists"? Many of them adhere to Marx's teachings. Socialist Action even has a Marxist Education section on their website. One of Lenin's main tactics in bringing down the Czar (before open warfare) was anarchy. Today we're seeing the same playbook.
True, but neo-Fascist has a more visceral reaction attached to it and I think a more widely recognized means and methods that is associated with it.

Also, I think that extremism at either end becomes a distinction without a difference. For example, the neo-Nazi's and white supremacists compared with these extreme Leftists is just that - a distinction without a difference. Both are driving to dominate and oppress the masses to implement their ideology and they employ the same means and methods.

I am thinking in terms of messaging and suggesting that "neo-Fascist" is an accurate descriptor and a good label for eliciting the appropriate emotive reaction. No further explanation is needed by the receiver or from the communicator. Both parties understand exactly what is being communicated.
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Old 02-02-2017, 15:38   #39
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I know it's a minor point, but I suggest we no longer refer to the Occupy Democrats and various other agi-prop groups as Liberals. This would also include the new Democrat party - i.e. Schumer, Warren, Pelozi, and the like.

These clowns are anything but in the true meaning of Liberal as exemplified by Archibald Macleish (1930' and 40's) or John F. Kennedy (1960's).

Their tactics, their messaging, their rhetoric, and their philosophy is more accurately called "Neo-Fascist". Therefore, from now on, I will refer to these clowns as either the "Left" or more accurately, "Neo-Fascists". They simply are not worthy of being referred to as Liberal.

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Why not "communists" or "socialists"? Many of them adhere to Marx's teachings. Socialist Action even has a Marxist Education section on their website. One of Lenin's main tactics in bringing down the Czar (before open warfare) was anarchy. Today we're seeing the same playbook.
One of the main tenets of Communism is the withering away of the state. Many socialists concluded that this would not happen on its own; rather, they concluded that the State itself would become the embodiment of and vehicle for socialism. One of the main proponents of this view was an Italian socialist by the name of Benito Mussolini. For him, the State was paramount - "everything within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." He, of course, named his system of state socialism "fascism", after the bundle of sticks which since the Romans symbolized strength through unity. One of his disciples, a man named Adolf Hitler, rebranded his own party under the label of "National Socialist", since in Europe the modern state system and the concept of ethnic nationalism rose alongside each other.

Other fascist parties also embraced not merely statism, but ethnic nationalism, as they saw ethnicity as the strongest base by which the state could ensure the unity which would create strength. This was primarily a European phenomenon, since Europe had already moved so far in the direction of nation-states, although non-European fascist movements such as the Ba'ath in Mesopotamia and the Levant also embraced ethnic nationalism.

Elsewhere, such as in the United States, ethnic nationalism was not as important, but state socialism still had its appeal. American Progressives have pretty much whitewashed their own history, but before World War II, they were quite enamored of Mussolini and even Hitler, though Hitler's far more aggressively ethnic nationalism and anti-Semitism was a turn-off, especially after the Nuremberg Laws and later the Kristallnacht. Even then, after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, American Communists dutifully followed Moscow's lead and defended Nazi Germany up until the Wehrmacht crossed the Soviet frontier in June 1941.

While Mussolini is practically viewed as a buffoon since World War II, it is useful to remember that his image before the mid-1930s was quite favorable in many circles. He was portrayed as a manly pillar of strength, and often photographed shirtless. His image was very much like that of another shirtless tough-guy by the name of Putin, who reflects a more recent incarnation of fascism.

After World War II, American Progressives and the rest of the Western left again took their direction from Moscow and its surrogates, as Stalin determined that henceforth fascism would always and everywhere be defined as a "right wing" movement. And, to be fair, there were probably many right-wingers, especially in Europe, who did see fascism as a more extreme version of what could be described as "right wing" values - support for a strong state and a proud military, defense of a common heritage and tradition, and aversion to economic liberalism's treatment of humans as barely more than commodities in a market.

This idea is, however, a hard sell in the United States, since we were created a nation of immigrants fleeing despotism and our common heritage and tradition are rooted in our shared Constitutional values of limited-government democratic republicanism, and not our ethnic origins. That of course, hasn't stopped the American left from constantly labeling the American right as fascist, no matter how utterly ignorant it is to label strong advocates of limited government as "fascist". Although Georg Orwell, certainly an expert on how language can be misused politically, observed decades ago that "fascist" had pretty much been reduced to mean, "anything I don't like".

One of the bigger trends in American politics since the 1960s, with the rise of the conservative revolution and the shift of conservative Democrats away from their old party affiliations, has been the realignment of the two major parties into more ideologically-aligned movements. There are few conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans left. Perhaps without fully realizing its implications, the modern American left has become rather fascist, in the sense of embracing state socialism. This is especially the case for the ones who embrace the "Progressive" label, who are merely returning to their movement's roots in the 1920s and 1930s. I wouldn't label all Democrats thusly; I imagine like Republicans, most rank-and-file Democrats probably don't sit around debating political theory.

I doubt most could identify the Mussolini quote above, but these modern-day Progressives do seem to share his view of the state and embody what is properly a fascist ideology. Based on their rhetoric and policy prescriptions, they appear to believe that there is no problem for which the solution is not more government, and, consequently, if you oppose the "government" solution, you clearly do not care about the problem. If you oppose particular environmental regulations, you obviously favor dirty air and water. If you question the effectiveness of state-run or state-controlled health insurance and pension programs, you obviously want to push little old ladies in wheelchairs over cliffs. And to the extent they ever even admit there may be a problem with failing public schools, the problem is only ever a few bad apples, and of course can be solved by more government spending, so if you favor school choice obviously you are the one who is an extremist. Oddly, national defense is one of the few areas where the left seems hostile to state power, although when they have the reins of government they seem perfectly content to use the armed forces and intelligence services to their ends.

Of course, having spent the last eight years content with having the power of the state on hand to target the enemies of progress, whether through IRS investigations or targeting journalists under the Espionage Act, it remains to be seen how the Progressive movement will react when out of power. So far, early indications are impotent rage and petulant obstructionism. And, of course, rank hypocrisy, although to be fair hypocrisy is one of the few constants in politics.
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Old 02-02-2017, 15:58   #40
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^^^^as the world turns.

What really has me confused is that the "Left" or "Neo-Fascists" and/or New Social Order can't even see that they are espousing so much love (lust) for all that they claim to hate so much, has become their mantra.

You'd think they should be loving Vladimir Putin or even Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as their spiritual Imam.

I think I'll just continue to call them "assholes" and hopefully provoke them into a fight.
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Old 02-02-2017, 16:15   #41
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I think I'll just continue to call them "assholes" and hopefully provoke them into a fight.
That works too!

Oh, and Airborne Lawyer, your post was "finest kind".
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I think I'll just continue to call them "assholes" and hopefully provoke them into a fight.
And when they get riled up, grab 'em by their man bun (or vagina headgear), take their smartphone away and smash it. They'll have to retreat to a safe place and restore their ability to tweet and other social media apps.
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Last, desperate acts of a group losing power.
Look at the State governments.

The dream is over and will not be realized for the older leftists.
But, they are still dangerous.

They are filled with wrath, because they know their time is short.
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Old 02-03-2017, 03:07   #45
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Airborne Lawyer,

Brilliant post! Thank you for not leaving me feeling alone at doing a deep dive into today's enemies of our Republic. Your post reminds me of Ray looking into the Left through a Mussolini lens.

I think Vietnam was the catalyst that handed the Democrat party to the radical left. The once mainstream liberals who differed from conservatives on domestic policy, but who agreed on opposing the spread of communism have been displaced in the ensuing decades.
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