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Old 01-31-2017, 18:50   #16
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Totally different, it was Obama,. Here is one for you from Cornell law center.

https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigrat...cauthorityimm/
You miss my point...what is good for the goose...libs should have realized that result oriented reasoning can someday come back to bite them in the ass. That time has come and that is one reason they are wailing so loudly and gnashing teeth...elections have consequences...even for libs...

what is best in life...

"Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their sissy boy ex-president."
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Old 01-31-2017, 19:03   #17
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I didn't miss your point I just didn't think I needed pink font. my link was in support of your post, or was intended that way.

I agree 100%. I like pointing out to liberals that were so happy about the Obama care that Donald Trump is now in charge of their healthcare. I think I am going to give one of them a stoke some day they way their faces turn red
My apologies. Anyway, so much is going to haunt libs..."nuclear option" - "executive authority" etc., etc. ...this is not going to be pretty.
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Old 01-31-2017, 19:24   #18
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I have a considerable number of social media contacts, mostly former co-worker peers and employees, who have taken a very active role in immediately protesting the new administration.

The overall group average is strongly supportive of the disruption and inconvenience theme, particularly airports.

I am finding it hard to come up with a worse idea to generate support for an opposition movement than to mess with people traveling for work or personal reasons.

The 90% in the middle will grow to hate them.

So I'm all for the left messing with airport travel, as the negative 1st, 2nd, 3rd order effects for the lefty opposition will "be huuuuuge"(I'm my Trump voice).

I only hope they don't learn from their mistakes and don't iterate.

Much like the horrible failure of the Occupy Movement.

Forget about the nuclear clock, I'd like to see someone take a crack at building one for civil insurrection/war.
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Old 01-31-2017, 23:46   #19
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I'm just waiting for the lefties to go all "FerguMoreLand" and find out the police have new orders and the DOJ only ask...was there any discrimination involved? No! We treated all the violent protesters the same, and they all bled the same color red.



BTW - whatever happened to Sheriff Clark?

FerguMoreLand = Ferguson+Baltimore+Cleveland
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Old 02-01-2017, 00:34   #20
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CWII? That could also stand for Cold War Part Deaux since the opposing philosphies are about the same as in Cold War, the Prequel. Just like in WWII, the other side got a early start. Only this time that headstart was something like 50+ years.

Let's meet a member of the offensive team. A graduate of Marxist State and expelled from the Socialist Workers for being too radical, it's Socialist Action.

Here are some key notes from SA's playbook (on their About page):

Class Struggle & Independence: We believe that the world is divided into opposing social classes, and that the main driving force of modern history is the struggle between the working class and the capitalist class. We are active partisans of the working class and believe in the need for independent working class politics – not alliances with the capitalists, or any wing of that class. That is why we call for workers to break from the Democratic Party to build a Labor Party based on the trade unions (they're coming for you too, Pelosi). In all of our political work we seek to get workers to see and think of themselves in terms of class, and to recognize that their class interests are diametrically opposed to that of the capitalists.

Revolution: We believe that the state and all of its institutions are instruments of the ruling class, and that therefore they cannot be used as tools of the working class, but have to be smashed. That is why we fight for revolution, instead of for seeking to merely reform or work within the system. When we fight for specific reforms we do so only with the understanding that in the final analysis real social change can only come about with the overthrow of capitalism (they mean the US and western civilization), and the establishment of a workers’ government.

Here comes identity politics folks. Divide an conquer. Doesn't this next section sound a lot like every progressive or Democrat you've ever heard?
The Specially Oppressed & Oppressed Nationalities: We support the struggles of those who are specially oppressed under capitalism – women, queers, national minorities, etc. We support and help build autonomous movements for the oppressed so that they can articulate their own demands, and develop political consciousness as a group. We support the right of self-determination for oppressed nationalities, including Blacks, Chicanos & Puerto Ricans.

Permanent Revolution: This famous theory by Leon Trotsky (yes, that Trotsky!) holds that revolution in modern times, even in under-developed countries, has to be led by the working class and has to be a fully fledged socialist revolution – revolution cannot go through stages and cannot be made in alliance with any wing of the capitalist class. To be ultimately successful it also needs to be an international revolution. We believe that a successful socialist revolution will result in a workers’ government that is based on elected workers’ councils.

If you still think they sound like a lovely bunch, this Socialist Action, then I invite you to read this article posted on their website: How to Make a Revolution.
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^^^Working Class my ASS! These F_cksticks have never had a real job their entire lives and they want to fight for the right to live off their parents and the system (simply) put forth by capitalists with guilty feelings from their success.

These are the same people that drive a f_cking Prius (with a Gore'08 bumper sticker) in the HOV lane and slow down to the same speed as the general purpose lanes in slog hour filled with the working class to show unity. HOV guilt!!!

Also I thought SA stood for Sal Alinsky or maybe it does. 8-rules for radicals.

Ya know the next thing these SJW are gonna sport is Green Beret so they can say they are fighting for the Oppressed. (Better buy stock in Rainbow tie-dye Che Guvera shirts, there's gonna be run on them.)
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^^^Working Class my ASS! These F_cksticks have never had a real job their entire lives and they want to fight for the right to live off their parents and the system (simply) put forth by capitalists with guilty feelings from their success.

These are the same people that drive a f_cking Prius (with a Gore'08 bumper sticker) in the HOV lane and slow down to the same speed as the general purpose lanes in slog hour filled with the working class to show unity. HOV guilt!!!

Also I thought SA stood for Sal Alinsky or maybe it does. 8-rules for radicals.

Ya know the next thing these SJW are gonna sport is Green Beret so they can say they are fighting for the Oppressed. (Better buy stock in Rainbow tie-dye Che Guvera shirts, there's gonna be run on them.)
I love your viseral reply, brother! Go to their website (use a proxy!) and really get pissed off. BTW, I always associated SA with Hitler's Sturmabteilung, also called the Brownshirts. To me, this seems apropos given the similar tactics.
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:51   #23
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I love your viseral reply, brother! Go to their website (use a proxy!) and really get pissed off. BTW, I always associated SA with Hitler's Sturmabteilung, also called the Brownshirts. To me, this seems apropos given the similar tactics.
Your and ODNT assessments are right on point! These are the neo-fascists, and the alignment of the progressive Left with these clowns will spell the demise of the Democrat party IMO.

I say that because if you listen to the rhetoric coming from candidates for the DNC Chair, they are doubling down on the failed identity politics.

Liberalism, at least in the sense represented by the likes of Archibald Macleish (1930's) and JFK/RFK (1960s) is dead!

Liberalism of old is being co-opted by organizations like Occupy Democrats (neo-fascists) and they are following Saul Alinsky's playbook. If these fools think that the unions will align with them they have really misread the shifting dynamic here. Even in a union town like Philadelphia, the union leadership is shifting towards the Trump brand of Populism. (The membership did that in the last election).

My guess is that these neo-fascist groups are organized with and by Soros money. I say go for it boys and girls. This will ultimately result in your self-marginalization and I won't have to listen to the likes of Pocahontas Warren or Crooked Hillary ever again!

Bottom line: If Trump is successful, and I believe he will be, there will be a realignment of global politics that will last for at least the next 50 years.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:07   #24
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.... a successful socialist revolution will result in a workers’ government that is based on elected workers’ councils.
Some never learn the lessons from Animal Farm. The Perpetual Revolution only begets a new elite class. Eventually, one of them does not want to let go of the power and kills all the opposition.
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Forget about the nuclear clock, I'd like to see someone take a crack at building one for civil insurrection/war.
My gut instinct right now is telling me the same.
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Your and ODNT assessments are right on point! These are the neo-fascists, and the alignment of the progressive Left with these clowns will spell the demise of the Democrat party IMO.

I say that because if you listen to the rhetoric coming from candidates for the DNC Chair, they are doubling down on the failed identity politics.

Liberalism, at least in the sense represented by the likes of Archibald Macleish (1930's) and JFK/RFK (1960s) is dead! Or shellshocked and looking for a home.

Liberalism of old is being co-opted by organizations like Occupy Democrats (neo-fascists) and they are following Saul Alinski's playbook. Alinsky, Cloward & Piven, but most importantly Marx & Trotsky. If these fools think that the unions will align with them they have really misread the shifting dynamic here. Even in a union town like Philadelphia, the union leadership is shifting towards the Trump brand of Populism. (The membership did that in the last election). I don't expect the unions to be onboard with Trump for long. Let's not mistake support for a specific action or policy as a sea change in Union politics. SEIU never did get on board; they were a Women's March on Washington sponsor, if I'm not mistaken.

My guess is that these neo-fascist groups are organized with and by Soros money. I say go for it boys and girls. This will ultimately result in your self-marginalization and I won't have to listen to the likes of Pocahontas Warren or Crooked Hillary ever again!

Bottom line: If Trump is successful, and I believe he will be, there will be a realignment of global politics that will last for at least the next 50 years. I wager that 50 years is far, far too optimistic.
Is the conservative side finially joining the fight? Well, there is no conservative side if we're referring anything resembling an organized political movement. Conservatives tend to come together in short-term crisis mode, then return to their lives once that particular crisis has passed.
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My apologies. Anyway, so much is going to haunt libs..."nuclear option" - "executive authority" etc., etc. ...this is not going to be pretty.
Fuck them. Who cares what they feel.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:41   #28
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No reason whatsoever to care how they feel (particularly after the past 8 years) but we conservatives generally hold ourselves to higher standards than liberals. Timely article below recognizes this phenomena.

That valuable middle ground of voters will undoubtably recognize this as well - if the liberal legislators continue their current immature behavior.

We have the high ground, all three branches of governement, and the best ideas. We do need to minimize cannablizing our own and push through a productive agenda. No gridlock. Limited government, lower taxes, strong national security, safe cities, improved education for all, better healthcare, individual liberty, energy independence, strong borders, fair trade, E pluribus unum.

BLM, Occupy Wall Street, high taxes, Obamacare, multicutluralism, open borders, unbridled immigration, anarchy and street violence...not so much. One need only look around the world...

Lower Conduct Standards for Liberals
Walter E. WilliamsWalter E. Williams|Posted: Feb 01, 2017 12:01 AM
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One can only imagine the widespread media, political and intellectual condemnation of Republicans and conservatives if, after the inauguration of Barack Obama, they had gone on a violent and vicious tear all over the nation as did Democrats and liberals after the inauguration of President Donald Trump. They committed acts such as assaulting Trump supporters, setting fires and stoning police.

Suppose Republicans/conservatives had carried signs that read "F--- Obama" or talked about "blowing up the White House." The news media, instead of calling them protesters, would have labeled them evil racists, obstructionists and everything else except a child of God. The reason for the difference in treatment is simple. Republicans and conservatives are held -- and hold themselves -- to higher standards of behavior. By contrast, Democrats and liberals are held -- and hold themselves -- to less civilized standards of behavior. Let's look at some of the history of conservative and liberal behavior.

One of the nastiest more recent liberal events was the Occupy movement around the nation. During Occupy protests, there were rapes, assaults, robberies and holdups. These people publicly defecated and urinated on police cars. The mess they left after their demonstrations can be described as no more than a pigsty. Does anybody recall any Democratic official, from the president on down, admonishing them to behave? Contrast their behavior with that of tea party protesters. Tea partyers didn't set fires, stone police or engage in the other kinds of despicable behavior the liberal Democrats did. On top of that, they left the areas where they protested clean.

Ask yourself whether you have ever seen Republicans/conservatives rioting, turning over police cars, looting, setting places of business on fire and shouting obscenities while marching. Have you ever seen conservatives marching with chants calling for the murder of police officers? You may have heard liberals yelling, "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" In fact, virtually all of the violence against police -- whether it's throwing stones, ambushing or murdering -- is committed by liberals or people who'd identify as Democrats. The fact of the matter is that if we were to examine criminality in America -- whether talking about murderers, muggers or prisoners -- it would be dominated by people who would be described as liberals, Democrats and Hillary Clinton supporters.

Democrats and liberals accuse Republicans of conducting a war on women. Assault, rape and murder are the worst things that can be done to a woman. I would bet a lot of money that most of the assaults, rapes and murders of women are done by people who identify as liberals, and if they voted or had a party affiliation, it would be Democratic.

One of the most glaring examples of how liberals are held to lower standards comes when we look at what they control. The nation's most dangerous big cities in 2012 were Detroit, Oakland, St. Louis, Memphis, Stockton, Birmingham, Baltimore, Cleveland, Atlanta and Milwaukee. The most common characteristic of these cities is that for decades, all of them have been run by Democratic and presumably liberal administrations. Some cities -- such as Detroit, Buffalo, Newark and Philadelphia -- haven't elected a Republican mayor for more than a half-century. It's not just personal safety. These Democratic-controlled cities have the poorest-quality public education despite the fact that they have large and growing school budgets. Most of these dangerous cities have suffered massive decreases in population. Some observers have suggested that racism has caused white flight to the suburbs. But these observers ignore the fact that black flight has become increasingly significant. It turns out that black people do not like to be mugged and live in unsafe neighborhoods any more than white people.

Republicans and conservatives, including President Trump, should not gripe or whine about different treatment by the liberal media. Magnanimity commands that we have compassion and try to understand our fallen brethren. We should make every effort to sell them on the moral superiority of personal liberty and its main ingredient -- limited government.

http://townhall.com/columnists/walte...&newsletterad=
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I'm afraid the nuance is lost on liberals. What they do understand though is a good ass kicking.
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I know it's a minor point, but I suggest we no longer refer to the Occupy Democrats and various other agi-prop groups as Liberals. This would also include the new Democrat party - i.e. Schumer, Warren, Pelozi, and the like.

These clowns are anything but in the true meaning of Liberal as exemplified by Archibald Macleish (1930' and 40's) or John F. Kennedy (1960's).

Their tactics, their messaging, their rhetoric, and their philosophy is more accurately called "Neo-Fascist". Therefore, from now on, I will refer to these clowns as either the "Left" or more accurately, "Neo-Fascists". They simply are not worthy of being referred to as Liberal.

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