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Old 05-26-2004, 17:36   #46
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You realize that inflicting pain on defenseless folks in a chair with their mouth open hardly constitutes "Monkey Stomping" don't you ??

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Old 05-26-2004, 18:18   #47
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Old 05-26-2004, 18:27   #48
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Old 05-26-2004, 22:43   #49
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Are you claiming to be a bad ass, Saca?
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LOL... Just having fun counselor. Me no bad ass, me try to use brain to win argument most times, me just listed the only type training I have had. It was very "realistic" though. haha


Bill Harsey- I didn't need to know what kind of formal training you had...I already know you are tough just from hearing your stories about your "Friends" that put raw meat in a fellow logger friend's tent so the bears will attack him just for "fun". HaHA
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Old 05-27-2004, 06:26   #50
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I am just saying that I have known VERY few people that practiced enough and learned truly valuable techniques that actually help them in a street/bar fight. I know they are out there... No need to tell me about it.

That's because they are taught techniques but not how to commit to the fight.

Problem #2-
Potential Student - "I want to take classes to learn self defense."
Teacher - "Fine. How many times a week are you planning to come in?"
Potential Student - "I'll be here on Wednesday nights. That's my free night."

I've had occasion to use my self defense on 2 occasions, one resulted in a broken wrist to the drunk and the other was just bruised up. But I train 4 days a week several hours a day. People taking MA for self defense just don't do that.

Waste of money, IMO.
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Old 05-27-2004, 06:36   #51
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The same can be said for many things. Many people seem to run from commitment of any kind.

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Old 05-27-2004, 08:40   #52
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Bill Harsey- I didn't need to know what kind of formal training you had...I already know you are tough just from hearing your stories about your "Friends" that put raw meat in a fellow logger friend's tent so the bears will attack him just for "fun". HaHA
It was funny, but in fairness to the judgement of my buddies they didn't actually put the meat in the tent, that would have been dangerous. The side of bacon was wired to his ankle and placed outside the tent which the bear drug off with owner of ankle going with it and not having as much fun as the guys watching.
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Old 05-27-2004, 09:11   #53
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Kyo-

That is exactly what I meant to express in my posts. Thanks for clarifying.

Bill-
Do you really think that explanation makes you or your buds seem calmer or more conservative? LOL You put raw meat ANYWHERE near me when I am sleeping in a tent out in bear country....and you will have witnessed my last day with you as a coworker! haha Throw in that whole "funny" part about wiring the meat to his leg and that is downright fookin crazy!!
Great story!!!
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Old 05-27-2004, 09:58   #54
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I don't know, Kyo--I'd say that if that person who only comes in once a week because that's all the time they can set aside has the right constitution (frame of mind, mindset, whatever catchphrase you prefer), those few hours a week may be enough. Tactics and techniques can make you more efficient, but its the determination to perservere that is most important.
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Old 05-27-2004, 10:11   #55
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has the right constitution (frame of mind, mindset, whatever catchphrase you prefer),
Uhhhh.... you mean my redneck terminology "wild dog" attitude
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Old 05-27-2004, 10:31   #56
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I don't know Mr. Larkin, but two observations:
1. sets off bells, whistles sirens to me.

2. He is far to pretty to be a Monkey Stomper.

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You want tapes? Check out Jim Grover/Kelly McCann on Paladin Press. Very good Monkey Stomping. Carl Cestari tapes from the link on Gutter Fighting should be good as well, although I haven't seen them.
All the self hype did raise an eyebrow, but he got a huge endorsment from Matt Fury, author of Combat Conditioning which I own and think highly of. I've heard of Cestari, but not the other two. I'll check it out. Thanks for the info.

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I don't know, Kyo--I'd say that if that person who only comes in once a week because that's all the time they can set aside has the right constitution (frame of mind, mindset, whatever catchphrase you prefer), those few hours a week may be enough. Tactics and techniques can make you more efficient, but its the determination to perservere that is most important.
Indomitable spirit is what we call that in TKD. Yeah, I can agree that determination to perservere is important. But if you have to think about how to use the self defense in a situation then you've lost half the battle.

In most cases, the first 3 to 5 seconds are going to determine the outcome. Self defense practice should be done like you guys do reaction drills. It needs to be second nature if you plan to rely on it. If not, learn to become a great communicator. Sometimes the mouth is the best type of self defense.
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Old 05-27-2004, 10:51   #58
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commitment to the outcome...not the fight

Watch the movie Lake Placed:
Fat guy:
My folks had lots of money...that means lots of Karate lessons...I have to warn you...
Sherrif:
Slams fist to fat guys nose...
Fat guy:
YOU DIDN'T SAY GO! You are supposed to say "GO!" first!!!

Tossing someone to the mat for 2 points in a tourney is 180 degrees fromtossing them to the pavement outside Bennigan's where he (or his 3 drunk Bud's coming to his rescue) may have knives, guns, pipes, irons, or whatever else is handy.

Agree...3-5 seconds, you opponent should be physically incapacitated (unable to fight) or unconscious and you unassing the AO. If you aren't willing to hurt someone, run early.
All the pretty "after poses" and whatnot can be left to the hollywood "practitioners"

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Old 05-27-2004, 13:51   #59
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You guys are on the right track here, end the fight as it begins. Any training can be better than none but for guys especially they may have to unlearn a lot before they once again have useful skills. I was told that women can benifit from day one in martial arts training because they don't have to unlearn poor combat skills that lot's of guys have. That's why we trained the street fighters so hard, so we had a chance to know what they might do (thats supposed to be kinda funny...). I was always concerned that we trained real skills, not just tournament fighting. Oh for the good old days of bare knuckle full contact.

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