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Old 04-16-2004, 14:45   #1
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Question I need advice from a Doc

I have been trying to get into shape before leaving for boot and then SF selection. Whenever I run I get lumps that come up through my legs. The one on my left leg tends to hurt. When my heart rate drops back down to normal, the lumps disapate and then are gone. I was just wondering if anyone has ever heard of this, and if so what is it and how can it be fixed. Thanks a lot
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Old 04-16-2004, 15:18   #2
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Question These lumps

on your shins or in your groin??? Your legs go from ankle to asshole, can you be a bit more specific???
Oh, and don't worry about the little one directly below your belly button, it and it's buddies below are supposed to be there

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Old 04-16-2004, 18:04   #3
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lol, like on my lower shins, a little off to the sides. Somebody was telling me to massage them out with the palm of your hand, but i want to know what they are first
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Old 04-16-2004, 18:48   #4
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Lightbulb Shin bumps

More than likely you have "fascial herniation" (fash-ee-al her-knee-a-shun) syndrome. These are weak points in the muscle covering allowing tissue to push through---like a bubble on a tire. This will not progress for the better over time.
This covering over your muscles called fascia-it is a type of connective tissue that encases your muscle bellies. As the muscles engorge with blood secondary to work (like running) these little "weak spots" give way to the increased pressure inside the muscular compartment. You get to see your shin bumps.
The prognosis is really dependant on you-Ortho can sew them up, you can leave them alone (they may eventually widen and tear-even to the point of "connecting the dots") OR you can decrease your activity level and lead a normal (albeit a little more restrictive) life.
Not uncommon for people to develop ONE of these weak spots after years of running---but if you have multiple weak points, you may want to see a specialist to make certain you have no underlying connective tissue disorder.
You may think this sounds like a drastic step, but I would gladly send 10 guys to get checked for a "maybe" and have them all come back clear...then not send one that was "suspect", and miss something potentially important.
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Old 04-16-2004, 22:39   #5
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thanks for the advice
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Old 04-16-2004, 23:07   #6
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Eagle, how common is that? I've never seen it.
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Old 04-17-2004, 01:50   #7
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Eagle, how common is that? I've never seen it.
I have only seen 4 cases...all in the last 6 years. Each case was a single herniation. The second one was my BN SGM at 10th MTN...I learned a lot about it real quick. Plus we had a tremendous Ortho dept at the time.
I never "noticed" anybody complaining of it in Group. But there were 3 in 10th MTN and 1 where I am now.

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Old 04-17-2004, 11:29   #8
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I may have that same problem, but its not necessarily after working out and I've had it for years.
Occasionally on my right thigh, near the medial head, I believe (the "tear drop"), on my left hamstring and sometimes on either bicep, I'll see my skin start "throbbing" or "pumping." It mainly looks and feels like a vein thats getting restricted and then "powering" through. It sort of makes the muscle flex as well (when my bicep does it, it looks similar to if you lower your arm to 90 degrees and flex it).
Is this the same thing?
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Old 04-17-2004, 11:59   #9
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I may not be understanding your description correctly, but it doesn't sound to be the same.
This particular condition is much more common where muscles are contained in tight compartments...Upper arms and les have LOTs of room for expansion. You may just have some ipomas (fatty tumors) which are VERY common and easily removed under local anesthesia. As your muscles engorge with blood, these lipomas are pushed closer to he surface.
Just a guess at this point, but people who have 1 lipoma, generally have more and are in a varied distribution (as you described).

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I have only seen 4 cases...all in the last 6 years. Each case was a single herniation. The second one was my BN SGM at 10th MTN...I learned a lot about it real quick. Plus we had a tremendous Ortho dept at the time.
I never "noticed" anybody complaining of it in Group. But there were 3 in 10th MTN and 1 where I am now.

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Old 04-17-2004, 20:14   #12
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I may not be understanding your description correctly, but it doesn't sound to be the same.
This particular condition is much more common where muscles are contained in tight compartments...Upper arms and les have LOTs of room for expansion. You may just have some ipomas (fatty tumors) which are VERY common and easily removed under local anesthesia. As your muscles engorge with blood, these lipomas are pushed closer to he surface.
Just a guess at this point, but people who have 1 lipoma, generally have more and are in a varied distribution (as you described).
Fatty tumors? If its "that common and easily removed," I presume they aren't anything to worry about like Denny's?


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lol.... Roger. Working my way towards being an "outpatient" ....
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Old 04-18-2004, 00:43   #13
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I am going to the docs this coming monday, I will let you know what they turned out to be. I hate not being able to work out to my full potential with these pain in the ass things lol. Hopefully I can be cured of em in the next couple days.
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Old 04-20-2004, 14:28   #15
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I went to my general doctor and he said he thought they might be dilated blood vessels. But, I have to go to a vascoleur surgeon so he can check me out. Problem is that they are busy and I cant get in to may 8th. So I am going to say screw it, run through it untill I can go to . I was thinking it might be the begining of varceous veins. Excuse my spelling. Any thoughts?
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