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Old 01-31-2017, 09:25   #1
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America's Second Civil War

An interesting article given the left's reaction to the Trump presidency - California secession discussion, sanctuary city/state discussion, national security issues, border issues, trade policy, healthcare policy, tax policy, spending and nation debt/deficit policy, Europe's issues...etc., etc., interesting times...

America’s Second Civil War
Tuesday, Jan 24, 2017
Dennis Prager

It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.

In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents’ offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.

There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.

Liberalism — which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism — is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don’t call themselves conservative.

The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism.
Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation.

Just as in Western Europe, the left in America seeks to erase America’s Judeo-Christian foundations. The melting pot is regarded as nothing more than an anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic meme. The left suppresses free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech “hate speech.” To cite only one example, if you think Shakespeare is the greatest playwright or Bach is the greatest composer, you are a proponent of dead white European males and therefore racist.

Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? Obviously, there cannot.

There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.

How are those of us who oppose left-wing nihilism — there is no other word for an ideology that holds Western civilization and America’s core values in contempt — supposed to unite with “educators” who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students “boys” and “girls” because that implies gender identity? With English departments that don’t require reading Shakespeare in order to receive a degree in English? With those who regard virtually every war America has fought as imperialist and immoral? With those who regard the free market as a form of oppression? With those who want the state to control as much of American life as possible? With those who repeatedly tell America and its black minority that the greatest problems afflicting black Americans are caused by white racism, “white privilege” and “systemic racism”? With those who think that the nuclear family ideal is inherently misogynistic and homophobic? With those who hold that Israel is the villain in the Middle East? With those who claim that the term “Islamic terrorist” is an expression of religious bigotry?

The third significant difference between the First and Second Civil Wars is that in the Second Civil war, one side has been doing nearly all the fighting. That is how it has been able to take over schools — from elementary schools, to high schools, to universities — and indoctrinate America’s young people; how it has taken over nearly all the news media; and how it has taken over entertainment media.

The conservative side has lost on every one of these fronts because it has rarely fought back with anything near the ferocity with which the left fights. Name a Republican politician who has run against the left as opposed to running solely against his or her Democratic opponent. And nearly all American conservatives, people who are proud of America and affirm its basic tenets, readily send their children to schools that indoctrinate their children against everything the parents hold precious. A mere handful protest when their child’s teacher ceases calling their son a boy or their daughter a girl, or makes “slave owner” the defining characteristic of the Founding Fathers.

With the defeat of the left in the last presidential election, the defeat of the left in two-thirds of the gubernatorial elections and the defeat of the left in a majority of House and Senate elections, this is likely the last chance liberals, conservatives and the right have to defeat the American left. But it will not happen until these groups understand that we are fighting for the survival of America no less than the Union troops were in the First Civil War.

http://www.dennisprager.com/americas-second-civil-war/

This column was originally posted on Townhall.com.
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We have arguably been in a domestic Cold War for a long time. The left may now be on a path to drag political differences into the street. What a mess.
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:20   #3
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I was going to post this same article this morning........too slow.

Great post Tonyz, and right on target. Prager hits the nail on the head IMO.

And for cross-thread points see my post in the Trump, Trade, and Diplomacy thread.
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:28   #4
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TJ read your post in the other thread and concur.

I saw the Prager article and thought it a bit provocative...last week...what a difference a week makes.

The Statist/Globalists and Schumer's of the world are indeed shitting themselves with Trump, Brexit and perhaps Le Pen...

ETA wanna see Statist heads explode - just wait until Trump nominates his pick for the Supreme Court, tonight.
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Unhinged

The excerpt below is from an opinion piece in a U.K. publication - it provides some insight into plans for discomfort and inconvenience - aka more subversion. The entire article at link below.

Forget protest. Trump's actions warrant a general national strike
Francine Prose
The Guardian
Monday 30 January 2017 07.06 EST
Political movements rarely succeed without causing discomfort and inconvenience

Since Trump’s election, we’ve seen dozens of demonstrations – most notably, the Women’s March on Washington – that have reinforced our sense of solidarity and provided encouraging evidence of how many Americans oppose our government’s fundamentally anti-American agenda.

But the trouble is that these protests are too easily ignored and forgotten by those who wish to ignore and forget them. The barriers go up, the march takes place, the barriers come down. Everyone goes home happier.

One reason that Saturday’s protests were so effective was that, while peaceful, they were disruptive. Terminal Four was closed, incoming flights were delayed. One traveller wrote, on Twitter, that his fellow passengers applauded when their pilot announced the reason why their plane would be landing an hour behind schedule.

Taxi drivers went on strike in solidarity with the detainees, and arriving passengers were forced to find alternate ways on getting home. Many used Uber, a company whose CEO, Travis Kalanick, serves on Trump’s economic advisory board, and which thoughtfully suspended “surge pricing” to make it easier and cheaper to subvert the taxi strike.

The struggles for civil rights and Indian independence, against apartheid and the Vietnam war – it’s hard to think of a nonviolent movement that has succeeded without causing its opponents a certain amount of trouble, discomfort and inconvenience.

And economic boycotts – another sort of trouble and inconvenience – have proved remarkably successful in persuading companies to cease supporting repressive governments. Of course, nonviolence has often been met with violence, but one can only hope that our hearts have not so hardened that we, as a nation, would not be troubled and shamed by the spectacle of peaceful people being arrested and bloodied, as they were in Selma and Birmingham.

So what can we do to protest our current government’s callousness about our environment and our health, its rampant greed, its disrespect for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

I believe that what we need is a nonviolent national general strike of the kind that has been more common in Europe than here. Let’s designate a day on which no one (that is, anyone who can do so without being fired) goes to work, a day when no one shops or spends money, a day on which we truly make our economic and political power felt, a day when we make it clear: how many of us there are, how strong and committed we are, how much we can accomplish.

Meanwhile, I’m deleting my Uber account and adding Lyft (which donated generously to the ACLU) in its stead. Leaving Uber is not uncomplicated, and it’s taken me the better part of a day to persuade them to let me go. But in the process, the site asks subscribers why they are leaving, and it’s a pleasure – a small pleasure, but a pleasure nonetheless – to let them know.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sts-disruption
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It's sad all these progressives actually believe the drivel they produce.
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Old 01-31-2017, 19:24   #7
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I have a considerable number of social media contacts, mostly former co-worker peers and employees, who have taken a very active role in immediately protesting the new administration.

The overall group average is strongly supportive of the disruption and inconvenience theme, particularly airports.

I am finding it hard to come up with a worse idea to generate support for an opposition movement than to mess with people traveling for work or personal reasons.

The 90% in the middle will grow to hate them.

So I'm all for the left messing with airport travel, as the negative 1st, 2nd, 3rd order effects for the lefty opposition will "be huuuuuge"(I'm my Trump voice).

I only hope they don't learn from their mistakes and don't iterate.

Much like the horrible failure of the Occupy Movement.

Forget about the nuclear clock, I'd like to see someone take a crack at building one for civil insurrection/war.
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:39   #8
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....Let’s designate a day on which no one (that is, anyone who can do so without being fired) goes to work, a day when no one shops or spends money, a day on which we truly make our economic and political power felt, a day when we make it clear: how many of us there are, how strong and committed we are, how much we can accomplish....
I think this is a wonderful idea, truly brilliant. And in turn, on the same day, let's have the federal government stop the payment of every person on welfare.
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The excerpt below is from an opinion piece in a U.K. publication - it provides some insight into plans for discomfort and inconvenience - aka more subversion. The entire article at link below.

Forget protest. Trump's actions warrant a general national strike
Francine Prose
The Guardian
Monday 30 January 2017 07.06 EST
Political movements rarely succeed without causing discomfort and inconvenience

Since Trump’s election, we’ve seen dozens of demonstrations – most notably, the Women’s March on Washington – that have reinforced our sense of solidarity and provided encouraging evidence of how many Americans oppose our government’s fundamentally anti-American agenda.

But the trouble is that these protests are too easily ignored and forgotten by those who wish to ignore and forget them. The barriers go up, the march takes place, the barriers come down. Everyone goes home happier.

One reason that Saturday’s protests were so effective was that, while peaceful, they were disruptive. Terminal Four was closed, incoming flights were delayed. One traveller wrote, on Twitter, that his fellow passengers applauded when their pilot announced the reason why their plane would be landing an hour behind schedule.

Taxi drivers went on strike in solidarity with the detainees, and arriving passengers were forced to find alternate ways on getting home. Many used Uber, a company whose CEO, Travis Kalanick, serves on Trump’s economic advisory board, and which thoughtfully suspended “surge pricing” to make it easier and cheaper to subvert the taxi strike.

The struggles for civil rights and Indian independence, against apartheid and the Vietnam war – it’s hard to think of a nonviolent movement that has succeeded without causing its opponents a certain amount of trouble, discomfort and inconvenience.

And economic boycotts – another sort of trouble and inconvenience – have proved remarkably successful in persuading companies to cease supporting repressive governments. Of course, nonviolence has often been met with violence, but one can only hope that our hearts have not so hardened that we, as a nation, would not be troubled and shamed by the spectacle of peaceful people being arrested and bloodied, as they were in Selma and Birmingham.

So what can we do to protest our current government’s callousness about our environment and our health, its rampant greed, its disrespect for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

I believe that what we need is a nonviolent national general strike of the kind that has been more common in Europe than here. Let’s designate a day on which no one (that is, anyone who can do so without being fired) goes to work, a day when no one shops or spends money, a day on which we truly make our economic and political power felt, a day when we make it clear: how many of us there are, how strong and committed we are, how much we can accomplish.

Meanwhile, I’m deleting my Uber account and adding Lyft (which donated generously to the ACLU) in its stead. Leaving Uber is not uncomplicated, and it’s taken me the better part of a day to persuade them to let me go. But in the process, the site asks subscribers why they are leaving, and it’s a pleasure – a small pleasure, but a pleasure nonetheless – to let them know.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sts-disruption
Seems like we are heading that way, unfortunately.
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Trump sees it for what it is.
He's forcing their hand before they're ready.

The Constitution slowed the progressives and globalists just enough to allow for a response which need not be openly violent.
It's almost like the Founding Fathers designed the Constitution that way on purpose...
Trump does seem to be forcing their hand, but what is he going to do with it and how far are people willing to go to back him up?


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We have arguably been in a domestic Cold War for a long time. The left may now be on a path to drag political differences into the street. What a mess.
What is going on kind of reminds me of the Arab Spring and the Color Revolutions.
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The support for opposition to the Statist/Globalist agenda appears strong but the left is well organized, well funded and ruthless.
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The support for opposition to the Statist/Globalist agenda appears strong but the left is well organized, well funded and ruthless.

It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.

In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.
I agree tonyz. Mainly of open boarders and globalism. Socialist tendency and government gives people a free ride in society with the elitism.
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:18   #13
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Duke University Training Students For Anti-Trump Activism

PETER HASSON
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Daily Caller
2/09/17

Duke University is sponsoring a workshop for the purpose of training students to engage in activism against President Trump’s administration.

LGBTQA activist Mandy Carter will lead the February 15 event, which is titled “Ideas for Activism in the Time of Trump.”

The university-sponsored event will focus on “Understanding the importance of the changing of hearts and minds and the changing of public policy in social justice movements,” and “How our North Carolina Moral Monday Movement can be a model of a diverse coalition that brings together social justice people to take a stand against the Trump Administration.”

One of the recommended resources on the event’s Facebook page is an online “practical guide for resisting the Trump agenda.”

The website includes a variety of how-to documents on opposing Trump, as well as a listing of liberal anti-Trump organizations around the country.

The event is sponsored by the university’s Program in Gender, Sexuality, and Feminist Studies, which is “dedicated to exploring gender identities, relations, practices, theories and institutions.” (RELATED: Duke Student Columnist: America’s First Amendment ‘Obsession’ Is ‘Expression Of White Supremacy’)

The university did not return a request for comment by press time.

The event is just the latest way in which universities have taken a clear anti-Trump position.

The University of New Hampshire had to issue an apology in the wake of Trump’s election after using official university resources to promote anti-Trump protests. (RELATED: College Students Think They May Die Because Trump Got Elected)

After Trump’s election last November the University of Texas set up a “therapy wall” for students upset the election outcome. Students used the wall to post sticky notes documenting how distraught they were that Trump got elected.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/09/du...rump-activism/

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/09/du...#ixzz4YO0KdXnW
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Old 01-31-2017, 18:25   #14
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Well Brush...in 2014, a liberal immigration organization sure thought that Obama had very broad authority in the area of immigration law...

The President’s Broad Legal Authority to Act on Immigration
AUGUST 2014

https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigrat...cauthorityimm/
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Totally different, it was Obama,. Here is one for you from Cornell law center.

https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigrat...cauthorityimm/
You miss my point...what is good for the goose...libs should have realized that result oriented reasoning can someday come back to bite them in the ass. That time has come and that is one reason they are wailing so loudly and gnashing teeth...elections have consequences...even for libs...

what is best in life...

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