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Old 01-06-2013, 10:27   #256
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I do a ton of CrossFit, and I do a lot of sit up/push up drills. I ruck about once every other week about 4 miles, I'm not trying to ruin my back before I even get in the Army.
I don't think you get it.

You will take an APFT once during SFAS. You will be rucking hard, at distances several times what you are doing, every day.

Best of luck.

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Old 01-06-2013, 11:01   #257
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I don't think you get it.

You will take an APFT once during SFAS. You will be rucking hard, at distances several times what you are doing, every day.

Best of luck.

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Actually, I think you do get it.

The Army is possessed by this illusion that 'rucking' is some mythical enterprise requiring a great deal of practice and preparation. It's just #$%ing walking, for a while, with some weight on your back.

Continue your approach - which will make sure your body is strong and will hold together for three weeks of mild abuse. Additionally, you will peer high during team week when you can carry heavy things and your teammates who ran the ruck march are buckling.
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Old 01-06-2013, 14:47   #258
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I don't mean to bust balls, or be disrespectful, but my buddy is finishing up the qcourse, and said during selection he rucked like times, and while ding the star course, a obviously team week, but its nothing insane.
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Old 01-06-2013, 14:53   #259
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I don't mean to bust balls, or be disrespectful, but my buddy is finishing up the qcourse, and said during selection he rucked like times, and while ding the star course, a obviously team week, but its nothing insane.
Would you do English-speakers a favor and rephrase this? Maybe it's me, but I have NO idea what you're trying to express, or to whom you are responding (quoting works wonders for that).

Thanks.

Oh... and 'my buddy stories' are always wonderfully accepted in this forum.
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Actually, I think you do get it.

The Army is possessed by this illusion that 'rucking' is some mythical enterprise requiring a great deal of practice and preparation. It's just #$%ing walking, for a while, with some weight on your back.

Continue your approach - which will make sure your body is strong and will hold together for three weeks of mild abuse. Additionally, you will peer high during team week when you can carry heavy things and your teammates who ran the ruck march are buckling.
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I don't think you get it.

You will take an APFT once during SFAS. You will be rucking hard, at distances several times what you are doing, every day.

Best of luck.

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Hmmmm. Were I a candidate, I wonder which of these conflicting opinions I'd choose to follow?
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Hmmmm. Were I a candidate, I wonder which of these conflicting opinions I'd choose to follow?
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Old 01-06-2013, 16:01   #262
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Would you do English-speakers a favor and rephrase this? Maybe it's me, but I have NO idea what you're trying to express, or to whom you are responding (quoting works wonders for that).

Thanks.

Oh... and 'my buddy stories' are always wonderfully accepted in this forum.
Wow, that was a grammatical nightmare, that is fair, I am replying off of my phone. However, he is a friend who has given me a lot of knowledge and help. I do not believe he would steer me wrong, and I was not trying to tell a 'my buddy' story, I was simply explaining my reasoning for only a small amount of rucking.
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Old 01-06-2013, 16:47   #263
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Actually, I think you do get it.

The Army is possessed by this illusion that 'rucking' is some mythical enterprise requiring a great deal of practice and preparation. It's just #$%ing walking, for a while, with some weight on your back.

Continue your approach - which will make sure your body is strong and will hold together for three weeks of mild abuse. Additionally, you will peer high during team week when you can carry heavy things and your teammates who ran the ruck march are buckling.
And the size of your sample group would be, for this revelation?

I guess we can get rid of that foot prep advice as well, too. Why bother, it is just walking long distances, with some weight on your back, right?

Is your advice tracking with what SWCS currently recommends for SFAS prep?

No one is suggesting running with a ruck, BTW. Just several rucks per week over the prescribed distances, with the recommended weight.

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Old 01-06-2013, 20:46   #264
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Sample size being myself and most of those around me in both SFAS and the Q who consistently finish at the top of their peers physically across the board.

Additionally this comports with my athletic background outside of the military, which is far and away more challenging and accomplished.

I don't know if it comports with what SWCS recommends, and I don't really care. My goal is to give someone firsthand advice for success who is genuinely seeking. My experience has been that large bureaucratic institutions rarely lead the way in whatever sandbox they play in, this is due to the very nature of their organization.

I can tell you that in the Q we are still going on weekly 'ruck marches,' which for most of us in good shape are a waste of time.

If you've never walked with weight on, then certainly throw something on your back every now and then (as he has stated he's doing) and get your feet ready for the additional load bearing. But if you think simply 'rucking' is going to prepare you for the hours of heavy load bearing inherent in team week events you are sorely (good pun, eh?) mistaken.

Bottom line, SFAS is not that hard, it is just hard enough to cull out most of the riff raff. There are certainly better ways to prepare than others (which I encourage), but anyone who has abided a half decent training regimen will not have a problem physically.
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Old 01-06-2013, 21:06   #265
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...this comports with my athletic background outside of the military, which is far and away more challenging and accomplished...
I dont know about the rest of the QPs here but I am impressed...

Stop comparing your accomplishments, whatever they be, to SF. It will be your undoing if/when you make it to a team.
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Old 01-06-2013, 21:52   #266
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It's OK, let him go. He already knows all the answers and his personal life experiences are the pattern for everybody. If they pay attention to him, they can ignore institutional training programs designed to maximize throughput in favor of an extreme athlete program that's all sexy and "stuff". If he graduates the SFQC, and gets to an ODA he'll have plenty of time to figure out why he's spending his time sitting on his rucksack in the hallway wondering why nobody likes X-rays. Course his fellow X-rays who have broken the code, proven themselves, and been accepted may not appreciate him reinforcing the stereotypes they've struggled to overcome.

jurisdoctor - You're in for a rude awakening. I don't know why you enlisted or what your motivations were for selecting SF, but I think you're about to be very disillusioned. The Regiment is evolving, our mission set is changing, and within 3-4 years you will not recognize whatever you thought you were enlisting for. Good luck. To be fair though - thank you for volunteering to serve. Within your peer group you are a genuine rarity. I wish you every success. But I'm not holding my breath that you'll find "fulfillment" in SF.
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Old 01-06-2013, 22:01   #267
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Not really looking to get into an internet forum debate here, so I'll be brief.

His question was about physical preparation, of which I know quite a bit, coupled with recent experience in the Selection process.

When it comes to UW (and most anything related to the military) I know next to nothing and am eager to learn from those that have been there before me.

And thank you, not a common choice for sure. Not looking for fulfillment, just contribution. But yes, it has been a somewhat disillusioning experience. A topic for elsewhere.

(And not that it matters, but I am not strictly speaking 'an xray').

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Old 01-06-2013, 23:06   #268
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Oops

Sorry guys, I did not mean to start an argument, just simply stating what I did and why. I will go to selection give my best, and if my best is not good enough, I'll come back until it is, it's simple really.
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. . . physical preparation, of which I know quite a bit, coupled with recent experience in the Selection process.
. . . I know next to nothing and am eager to learn from those . . .
Not looking for fulfillment, just contribution. But yes, it has been a somewhat disillusioning experience. A topic for elsewhere.
(And not that it matters, but I am not strictly speaking 'an xray').
Oh Boy! Here WE go!

I see you are an Elite mountaineer. I watch National Geographic so I get the distinction. I've also been on an SF Mountain Team and it was never anything like National Geographic My point is: we don't now (nor will anyone later) care that you are a John Roskelley if you get to a Mountain Team as the new Rope Monkey.(If you are John you still owe me a beer from the Spokane Club locker room)

Umm, did you pass "selection" or is that part of your disillusionment?
Knowing next to nothing is a good thing! Especially if you keep your mind, ears and eyes open and mouth shut (fingers too)

Contributing v. Fulfillment. Seriously, now . . . You might want to reassesses your SF motives. Contributing is good but you can do that through CFC and AER, and probably "contribute" more that way. "Fulfillment" is really what it IS about here because there's a total commitment part to SF. Think I'm kidding? Look around here at all the guys who suffer daily from the beating SF gave them over the years and yet (alone cuz their wives left em) . . . notice the gleam that comes to their eye when they think back.
My concern: Why an attorney would seek to join an SF NG unit. And from my reading of your recent posts it appears you just want the beret. You are not coming across to me as a guy who wants to hump the SF ruck. I hope I'm wrong but I don't have to worry about it. You should make sure I'm wrong or your time in SF won't be fun, won't be long, and won't look good on a resume.

It matters if you bring it up. Not "strictly speaking an x-ray" . . . So are you a special dispensation case? Being "special" in Special Forces is generally frowned on too.

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Old 01-07-2013, 11:40   #270
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Not really looking to get into an internet forum debate here, so I'll be brief.

His question was about physical preparation, of which I know quite a bit, coupled with recent experience in the Selection process.

When it comes to UW (and most anything related to the military) I know next to nothing and am eager to learn from those that have been there before me.

And thank you, not a common choice for sure. Not looking for fulfillment, just contribution. But yes, it has been a somewhat disillusioning experience. A topic for elsewhere.

(And not that it matters, but I am not strictly speaking 'an xray').
Oh Boy, here we go again JD a piece of unsolicited advice - ratchet down the rhetoric, engage brain before mouth, and gain some SA. I would suggest the search button and look at XZRs posts. You are starting down a path you don't want to travel.
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