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Old 04-21-2005, 09:51   #16
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Ammoman is here in NJ and last I heard he doesn't allow pickups and can't mail ammo in state. Natchez has pretty good prices.
Thats to be expected from places like the Peoples Republik of New Jersey.

Team Sergeant is right about the Black Hills stuff. They make excellent ammo. Stay away from the Miwall stuff too. The best thing you can do is get a reloading press and do it yourself. I rarely buy factory ammo anymore, except in .223.

You can load .45 ACP brass until the cases split or you lose them. I've loaded thousands of rounds of 9mm and .40 S&W on my Dillon RL 550B. I don't save any money, but I can shoot a whole lot more for the same costs as buying ammo.
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Old 04-21-2005, 15:45   #17
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I have a Brother in Law that will occasionally come into town and ask to go shooting. I have been known to turn him loose with a Makarov and some wolf ammo.

I've shot Magtech, it's Brazilian, tends to run hot and is inconsistent. I've never bought any.

I have from time to time bought Sellier & Bellot and been pretty happy with it, but it's hard to beat the Winchester White box. Wal Mart usually has it at a fair price.

I have had good luck with new ammo from outdoormarksman/miwall, the reloads , however, have proven to be tempermental.
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Old 04-21-2005, 18:07   #18
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FWIW, I am going with all of the other QP's on this and tell you to stay away from the stuff with one exception. That is unless you are going to shoot any of the ComBloc weapons such as the Type 56's, Mosin-Nagant's, Makarov's, Tokarev's, AK's, & SKS's., etc., etc. My experience is that if you shoot any of these weapons with Wolf ammo you have a good size margin of error so-to-speak if anything should go wrong. Again, just IMHO.
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Old 05-05-2005, 12:59   #19
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I guess we all have opinions

The new wolf is ploymer coated. I was turned on to it from a Retired USMC Major, who competed in the Corps on 1911. He has very nice hand guns and use it. He also has a Dillion 550B.

I have used it in a UZI, Kimber, Springfield 1911, with plinking results. I also have 2 Dillion 550B and reload for about 36 calibers. I do know of a bad report by a reputable gun dealer, on Wolf failure to support damage done to a chamber reportedly by their ammo. IMHO, Hand loads by a compitant person are the best loads.
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Old 05-05-2005, 13:30   #20
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I used to buy the 223 by the caseload. I won't even take it for free unless I can find a person to sell it too (with a full brief to them as to why I won't shoot it). Steel casings aren't good on steel parts. Brass is more forgiving and you can ream and deburr it quicker and easier than steel if you choose to reload it. I've never attempted to reload steel casings for fear of losing something important, like a hand eye, life, etc....

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Old 05-06-2005, 10:23   #21
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The new wolf is ploymer coated. I was turned on to it from a Retired USMC Major, who competed in the Corps on 1911. He has very nice hand guns and use it. He also has a Dillion 550B.

I have used it in a UZI, Kimber, Springfield 1911, with plinking results. I also have 2 Dillion 550B and reload for about 36 calibers. I do know of a bad report by a reputable gun dealer, on Wolf failure to support damage done to a chamber reportedly by their ammo. IMHO, Hand loads by a compitant person are the best loads.

Hollis, read the forum rules.

Fill out your profile, that's if you wish to be a part of the discussion here.

For what its worth I will always value the opinion of a Special Forces soldier over that of a Marine Maj that once shot in a competition in 1911. Paper targets dont shoot back, never have and never will.

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Old 05-06-2005, 10:37   #22
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HEHEHE!! I had the same thought. He must be an old MO FO. Maybe he shot "WOOF" ammo.
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Old 05-09-2005, 12:29   #23
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HEHEHE!! I had the same thought. He must be an old MO FO. Maybe he shot "WOOF" ammo.
LOL, Thanks for the laugh, Nothing wrong with being a old Mo Fo, it was a trip getting there...... Hope everyone does.
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Old 05-24-2005, 20:22   #24
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On Wolf Ammo

My friend and I (also a former Marine) do a lot of shooting. We go through about 1000-2000 rounds each, a month, not counting .22's. We were using Wolf for a while. Its fine for scratching an itch but I wouldn't use it for match ammo. We recently went halves on a Dillion progressive press. He knows more about reloading than I do so he actually bought it, but I believe it was the XL650. It cost us a little over $550 with dyes. Our first outing with it we did about 500 rounds in 2 hours. We know a reloader who owns the same press and he told us you can get up to 2000rnds in 4 hours or less on it.
We now go with Winchester (wal-mart special) for .45acp and .40S&W, but we still use Wolf for 9mm. At $88/1000rnds and on a youth counselors budget you can't go wrong. That's just my $0.02 though...
You could google Dillion Precision for more info on the press.
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Old 05-24-2005, 21:15   #25
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I heard through a buddy of mine that a buddy of his had an AK blow up shooting Wolf ammo recently. When he contacted the rifle's manufacturer (Global Trading) they told him they knew of four other AKs that had blown up shooting Wolf ammo. My buddy, who's actually writing a book for Paladin on the AK, contacted someone he knew in Russia who reported that Wolf does not produce to mil spec.

They were able to determine that the overpressure on the rifle was approximately three times what it should have been. That is that the load was actually more powerful than a proof load.

The above is as I remember it from my conversation w/ him late one evening recently and, as drink had been taken, may be off in some detail(s), but is accurate in broad strokes. Wolf has QC problems and, at least in 7.62x39, this has led to catastrophic failures.
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I heard through a buddy of mine that a buddy of his had an AK blow up shooting Wolf ammo recently. When he contacted the rifle's manufacturer (Global Trading) they told him they knew of four other AKs that had blown up shooting Wolf ammo.
Dayem. Still around after 35 years.

A SOG thing.
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Old 05-24-2005, 21:32   #27
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My friend and I have shot several thousand rounds of Wolf ammo through our AK's and we have never had any problems. That is not to say that they don't occur, but if the gun blew up I would think that it was not just the ammo. If anything Wolf tends to be underpowered.
Like I said. Not something you would want to go to a match with, but if you just shoot alot and are on a budget its a good option. I have heard that they are working on imroving quality control and that their ammo is getting steadily better.
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Old 05-24-2005, 22:04   #28
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"Dayem. Still around after 35 years.

A SOG thing. "

Bwwhhaahhaahhaa! That was actually the first thing that I thought of and suggested it to my bud, suggesting that maybe it had been deliberate - aimed perhaps at the Chechens, and had somehow slipped through and come to the US. His point though, was that Wolf is not made to Russkie milspec and not used by their military. It apparently is a QC issue.

Tubbs,

I understand. I've shot a bit of their ammo myself. I take this as a grade A source though, and in light of this won't shoot it any longer and question the judgement of anyone who will. The small savings just ain't worth the risk.
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Old 05-24-2005, 22:36   #29
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That's understandable.
How old was the incident though? I've heard from my friend that Wolf has made leaps and bounds in QC. Being as his life revolves around guns as much as Jenna Jameson's life revovles around porn I tend to take him as a reliable source of info.
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Old 05-24-2005, 22:40   #30
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