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Old 11-08-2004, 17:30   #1
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Concussion

How does one know if one has one? I am asking for an officer
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Old 11-08-2004, 18:55   #2
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How does one know if one has one? I am asking for an officer
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Old 11-08-2004, 19:16   #3
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Old 11-09-2004, 06:59   #4
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now for the important question...how severe was it?
We grade them according to severity (duration of unconsciousness and type of symptoms) and 'suggest' that patients with the more severe level of concussion NOT participate with driving, operating heavy machinery, firearms or explosives for a period of time.
It's a sad time when someone with sound medical knowledge "clears" someone to immediately return to a dangerous activity after a severe concussion....certain circumstances may dictate the need to return, i.e., hot zone in a sand box, but otherwise in civilian life they would be removed from their activity for a prescribed period of time for their safety as well as the safety of others. Anyone remember 2 yrs. ago in NASCAR, one of the big name drivers hit a wall, was unconscious for 3-5 minutes and they let him return to driving in a back up car!!!! he lasted about 2-3 more laps then drove into the pit area at about 180 mph....couldn't stop! I'll try to attach some stats and suggestions from a presentation I give on this.
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Old 11-09-2004, 07:17   #5
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Here are the clinical definitions and recommended Tx's....CIVILIAN WORLD!!!– Traumatic Brain Injury’s: Concussion

– Mild (grade 1)
 confusion with no amnesia or loss of consciousness
– Moderate (grade 2)
 confusion with amnesia, no loss of consciousness
– Severe (grade 3)
– any loss of consciousness

– Other nomenclature system
– mild :concussion
 at least one of these
– any LOC
– any amnesia
– any altered mental status
– any focal neurological deficit
– +/- transient symptoms
– moderate
 + LOC with prolonged confusion
– physical and/or cognitive and/or behavioral impairments
• +/- permanent
– severe
 coma/LOC: variable time
– likely permanent disabilities




Define the Treatments
 Grade 1 (confusion with no amnesia or LOC)
– if confusion clears within 20-30 minutes, than allow return to activity OR within 1 week of being without symptoms
– after a 2nd mild concussion in the same 6 month period, do not return to activity that may lead to another concussion for 2 weeks
 must be asymptomatic at least 1 week and have a negative CT scan
– if a third mild concussion occurs, terminate risky activities for the year
 may return next year if asymptomatic
– (?) neuropsychology evaluation
Define the Treatments
 Grade 2 (confusion with amnesia, no LOC)
– return to activity only after appropriate evaluation (CT scan, +/- neuropsych eval.) and asymptomatic for 1 week
– after 2nd moderate concussion, return to activity only after asymptomatic for 1 month and CT documented as normal
– if a 3rd occurs, terminate the activity for 1 year and consider termination of contact sports or other ‘high risk’ activities indefinitely
Define the Treatments
 Grade 3 (any LOC)
– urgent transport to trauma center
– may return to activity after asymptomatic for at least 2 weeks
 if LOC was < 1 minute and CT normal
– if LOC > 1 minute
 no return to high risk activity for 1 month and must be asymptomatic for at least 2 weeks
– if second episode LOC, terminate contact sports/high risk activity indefinitely
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Old 11-09-2004, 13:44   #6
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Factoids

‘No head injury is too trivial to ignore’ Hippocrates, 460–377 BC

The term consussion and mild traumatic brain injury (MTBI) are sometimes used interchangeabley.

However you want to call it they can have significant consequenses within the first year. A quick review of some CDC statistics reveals up to 15% experiencing some form of disability one year out. Divorce and job loss within the first year post MTBI has been studied also. In nursing school they gave us a figure on this but I recently through all of that out and no longer have the number. It did leave an impression though.

While George S Patton has admitted to manufacturing some of his WW2 personality in order to more effectively lead, some have speculated that consussions recieved while serving in the cavalry and playing polo contributed to changes in personality compare to his younger years.

A hx of consussions makes one more susceptible and is important to note in an h&p-

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Old 07-13-2010, 09:49   #7
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MTBI

Caught a little bit of this program on MN Public Radio. Only caught about 15 minutes, but the focus seemed to be on MBTI.

What cuaght my attention was how the concusion can be "transmitted" via blood pressure, and how the accumulation of "bell-ringers" from blasts add up (not sure if training was included, or jsut combat). I belive that she said that many of the participants had around 19 such instances.

One of the Dr's stated that her light-bulb moment occurred when she had several young soldiers come through who automatically pulled out notepads so they could remember the conversation.


Traumatic brain injuries: Wounds of a modern war
Broadcast: Midmorning, 07/13/2010, 9:06 a.m.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...13/midmorning1

The military has taken heat recently for its handling of soldiers and veterans with blast-induced traumatic brain injuries. Three leading TBI specialists discuss the difficulties of diagnosing and treating the disorder.

Guests
Ibolja Cernak, M.D.: Medical Director, Biomedicine Business Area, Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory

Elaine Peskind, M.D.: Director of Clinical Research for Mental Health Services at the V.A. Hospital of Puget Sound, and a professor in the department of psychiatry at the University of Washington School of Medicine.

James Kelly, M.D.: Director of the Department of Defense's new National Intrepid Center of Excellence in Bethesda, Md.
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Old 07-13-2010, 23:13   #8
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Second Impact Syndrome

Potential for Second Impact Syndrome (diffuse cerebral swelling), is rare but often fatal effect from a second concussion before the symptoms of the first concussion have resolved.



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Old 07-14-2010, 11:15   #9
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Thanks for that post Rumblyguts. I listened to that program yesterday.

MPR and NPR has had quite a bit of coverage on head injuries sustained by soldiers, subsequent effects and issues the Army has in dealing with it.

Link below to a search on NPR.

http://www.npr.org/search/index.php?...c+Brain+Injury

Also some stuff on Frontline's Website.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...c+brain+injury

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Old 07-29-2010, 20:05   #10
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Soldiers with Brain Injuries at Higher Risk for Epilepsy Decades Later

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/566431/?sc=dwhp
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Old 05-30-2015, 18:44   #11
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Soccer ball to the noggin on son

Folks,

Our 9 year old son took a point blank soccer ball to the head that lifted him off his feet and put him on the ground. Times have changed since I was kid getting knocked-out, and when I had some wilderness first responder courses. We're trying to figure out whether or not to take him to the Dr.

Facts
He remembers the incident, but not hitting the ground.
Appeared to be conscious within a few seconds after hitting ground.
Impaired vision for roughly 5 minutes after (could track a finger, but reported wrong number of fingers
Answered questions coherently
Did not report any nausea, dizziness, numbness, etc.

A nurse on-hand said that he had a mild concussion and should be OK. Just watch for symptoms as time goes on. No screens, calm both mentally and physically, etc.

We're at 10 hours post incident and still looking for symptoms (memory, emotions, pains). Nothing showing. If memory serves, we're still in the 24 hr swelling window.

Break

Reading around, it seems that any concussion should be seen by a doc. Then there are varied times of recovery, and once symptom-free, a graduated process for increasing cognitive and physical activity.

We're looking to keep him low-key for the next couple days, and have him avoid activity that could smack his head for the next week (including soccer).

What are we not thinking about, missing, etc.? Also confused about the "grade". Trying to make that parental of going to the doc...

Thanks for any guidance.
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Old 05-30-2015, 19:46   #12
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Old 05-30-2015, 19:48   #13
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Old 05-30-2015, 21:24   #14
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Jayson here and this is something you may want to look into. It is not a total solution, but may help if your son has any future blows to the head when playing sports.

http://www.reebok.com/us/checklight

I cannot remember where I learned about this device. My apologies if it was from an old thread from this site.

My children are still too young for such a device, but I will be looking into such technology when the situation presents itself. There was a radio show I listened to a few years ago and it claimed that some people are more susceptible to conclusions due to genetics and that it is only a matter of time before people will be able to test for the gene. You may want to do some research on this.

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Old 05-31-2015, 08:35   #15
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24 hours, no symptoms.

Talking more with my wife, it turns out that the "nurse" is the clinic's PA-C who specializes in childhood medicine and works the urgent care. Wife contacted her last night for further guidance. Quiet again today and regular activity tomorrow. Son's "regular" activity is rough, so we'll be sending a note to school for sitting out.

We're thinking that her info is the same as we'd get if we went to the clinic, so we'll be staying put. Marriage is compromise; wife ain't budgin'

Thank you for your time.
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