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Old 05-02-2017, 23:23   #1
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The cost of inguinal hernia surgery!

The cost for 2 1/2 hours in the hospital and 45 minutes in surgery to repair an inguinal hernia was one 2017 CORVETTE STINGRAY RWD Coupe 1LT: 56,445. Oh joy!

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Old 05-03-2017, 20:18   #2
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The cost for 2 1/2 hours in the hospital and 45 minutes in surgery to repair an inguinal hernia was one 2017 CORVETTE STINGRAY RWD Coupe 1LT: 56,445. Oh joy!

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No it's not.

That's what the CHARGES are, that's not the COST.

There are serious problems with the finance side of modern American health care, and one of them is the fact that consumers (patients) aren't told the costs (or actually, the charges) up front, and billing is notoriously random and unreliable.

Where did you get that number from? Is it part of your insurance paperwork? If so, don't worry about it, it reflects the hospital trying to stiff the insurance company to make up for all the times the insurance company stiffed the hospital. Those charges bear scant resemblance to actual costs.

Is this from a bill YOU got sent for a self-pay inguinal hernia repair? If so, that charge is out of line and easily fightable.

The actual COST of the hernia repair is around $5K: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26874507

So instead of a Corvette Stingray it's more like a solid used Ford Escort.
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Old 05-03-2017, 20:31   #3
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No it's not.

That's what the CHARGES are, that's not the COST.

There are serious problems with the finance side of modern American health care, and one of them is the fact that consumers (patients) aren't told the costs (or actually, the charges) up front, and billing is notoriously random and unreliable.

Where did you get that number from? Is it part of your insurance paperwork? If so, don't worry about it, it reflects the hospital trying to stiff the insurance company to make up for all the times the insurance company stiffed the hospital. Those charges bear scant resemblance to actual costs.

Is this from a bill YOU got sent for a self-pay inguinal hernia repair? If so, that charge is out of line and easily fightable.

The actual COST of the hernia repair is around $5K: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26874507

So instead of a Corvette Stingray it's more like a solid used Ford Escort.
Guess what my out-of-pocket share was: A solid used Ford Escort.

So I guess they get my premiums, then play ping-pong with the doctors and hospital, and I still foot the whole bill. Cool.

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Guess what my out-of-pocket share was: A solid used Ford Escort.

So I guess they get my premiums, then play ping-pong with the doctors and hospital, and I still foot the whole bill. Cool.

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Did you have insurance or was it fee for service?
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Old 05-03-2017, 20:46   #5
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Did you have insurance or was it fee for service?
I had Medicare and UHC supplemental. We had Etna for 15 years and had to switch to United Healtcare on 1 Jan (Etna pulled out of AZ). My surgery was 3 Jan.

It's no big deal, really. I just thought that it was funny that what I considered and simple and routine surgery would cost as much as a Corvette just after I went on Social Security. I'd rather they buy me the car, though.

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I can top that
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I can top that

Here's a nice example of overcharging . . .

I have a genetic issue called Alpha 1 Antitrypsin deficiency. It keeps the liver from producing the enzymes that protect the lungs and liver from diseases. Kinda like an immunity boost. To remedy this, I get an infusion once a week of the enzymes that are taken from human blood plasma.

According to my insurance company: (I work for a hospital system, we are self insured).

The weekly cost for this is $25000.00. Yes, that is thousand. Billed from Glassia
The discounted cost for this is $21900.00. Discounted by Glassia
Actual billed cost to insurance is $3100.

So my average monthly cost of this would be $12400. per month, lucky that I am insured as it is costing me nothing.
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If you get a chance ask you Surgeon how much his Malpractice ins. costs. Then consider that he was only one of several doctors attending your surgery. It could easily be 10% of his income.
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Guess what my out-of-pocket share was: A solid used Ford Escort.

So I guess they get my premiums, then play ping-pong with the doctors and hospital, and I still foot the whole bill. Cool.

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Now you understand how insurance works in the USA.
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Have you looked into medical tourism?
More Americans go overseas for single day, out pt procedure.
In some cases, the technology is better than here.
We may still be in the lead with cutting edge research, but not in cost-efficient advanced medical procedure

I plan to go to Malaysia/Singapore/Thailand for a stem cell orthopedics procedure. Something that have not cleared ethics committee here.
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Old 05-04-2017, 22:03   #10
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Here's a nice example of overcharging . . .
You diffidently win, Kyo! Too bad that you have to go through all of that, though.

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If you get a chance ask you Surgeon how much his Malpractice ins. costs. Then consider that he was only one of several doctors attending your surgery. It could easily be 10% of his income.
The total was 100% of my income. But I would like to see tort reform to relieve that burden on her. That threat also led to having to see a cardiologist for an echo-cardiogram prior to surgery because of my age.

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Now you understand how insurance works in the USA.
I always knew it. It's just that I've not encountered it. I did have the same, opposite side, surgery 25 years ago but I didn't get an itemized bill for it. Besides that surgery and the birth of our son, we've only used it for yearly exams.

I don't have dental insurance but have to get an implant next month. At the moment it's $4000 out-of-pocket but, knowing this, I can probably get it down about 25%. The GOP Congress didn't do us any favors today.

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