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Old 07-08-2020, 11:56   #496
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Agree with Box. To a political gangster (and that is what the democrat party leadership has become turning a blind eye to violence cloaked in protests) the “ gangsterization “ of America is a step in the right direction.

The author of the American Thinker article is observing and processing through the lens of a person NOT advocating revolution (fundamental transformation).

For those advocating fundamental transformation...well...everyone knows you hafta break a few eggs in order to make an omelet. From the article:

“Let's start with a series of rhetorical questions related to the upcoming presidential elections:

– Does a broken storefront add votes to the Democrats?

– Does a burning car add votes to the Democrats?

– Does a killed or wounded policeman add votes to the Democrats?

– Does a toppled statue add votes to the Democrats?”

Through the lens of a revolutionary these acts merely solidify and demonstrate a commitment to the cause. Oh, and where is the loud, very public and bipartisan political outrage? Crickets. Where is the bipartisan political “will” to shut down those folks who are essentially criminals? Crickets. Purely rhetorical. Currently, we live in an age that has actually given us the concepts of and choice between either “peaceful riots” or “violent protests”.... Heads I win tails you lose.

Disruption of civil order and national stability is part of the fundamental transformation playbook.

Intimidate, subvert, convert...terrorize...continue the ongoing attrition of American values.

...neutralize/minimize the national support for traditional American/western/capitalist society...”please just make those street folks go away.”

Continuously sap the morale (and budgets) of existing opposition administrators/government, police and opposing politicians...yup...to a revolutionary hell bent on fundamental transformation the violence and mayhem are just part of the playbook.

If this strain of political gangsters actually ascend to power...well, that’s going to be a pretty big boot.
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Old 07-08-2020, 13:36   #497
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If I was an SF guy...
-operating in a foreign country
-sowing seeds of discontent to overthrow their government
-pushing an agenda without actually showing my face

I would...
-incite riots
-delegitimize the police
-conduct "probing" attacks of government outposts (like CHAZ)
-conduct low risk "confidence" operations (like destroying government property)
-publish anti-government rhetoric

Generally ANYTHING that could be done to prove to the people that the government could not serve and protect them.
Then - once I had made an absolute mess of things - I would step in and fill the vacuum.

Dont trust my opinion - I'm just a partisan hypocrite - do the research - check my math - then, be your own judge. The Marxist-Liberal movement is growing in America. We'll be just like Moscow in a few years, and just as sophisticated.


Of course, we all know that such a thing could never happen here - we are far too enlightened to fall for such shenanigans.
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Here’s how the left views the current situation...

Rebellions Get Results: A List So Far
brian bean and Sean Larson
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Posted on June 8, 2020

Five weeks of open rebellion in the streets have yielded swift, unprecedented results. This is the definitive, updated list of the movement’s victories so far.

Originally written on June 8th, we have expanded this article to include victories won in subsequent weeks. The current version was updated on June 30th.

Today marks five weeks since George Floyd was murdered by the Minneapolis police and five weeks of revolt that spread into a nationwide, ongoing American uprising against policing and anti-Black racism. As flames engulfed buildings and cruisers were destroyed alongside police precincts, some liberals wrung their hands and bemoaned the rebellion, arguing that riots were counterproductive or less effective than “peaceful protest” or activity through official channels. Similarly, some on the left have had a tendency to undervalue the centrality of crisis and the swiftness of change brought about by rebellion. They argue that change takes place through gradualist means, that people naturally gravitate towards the path of least resistance, working through existing institutions and long-term campaigns, especially electoral ones, to make change. The world around us shows a different picture.

In just a few heady weeks of struggle, long-spineless politicians have suddenly found a political will, overcome bureaucratic barriers, and scrambled to do the bare minimum for Black lives.

Below, we offer this list of victories achieved in short order over the initial weeks of the rebellion. Some are large, some are small and symbolic, and none of them are ultimately sufficient. But all of them would have been almost unthinkable mere weeks ago, a time when officials seemed unshakeable and the rules of the game unquestionable. This list is necessarily incomplete, as the battle has just begun and will require more struggles to consolidate gains and open new horizons on the path to abolition. These wins have also come at a cost, with multiple martyrs to police and right-wing terror, and thousands of arrests amid ongoing police brutality, while Black folks suffer the harshest of police reaction. The movement remembers these blows even as it takes to the streets to dismantle the systematic racism behind them. As we enter week six of our generation’s greatest collective struggle, the list of our movement’s wins proves a fundamental lesson: riots get results.

Week One & Two

George Floyd’s killer was fired, arrested and charged with 3rd degree murder. Subsequently, the charge was upgraded and the other three cops involved as accomplices were also charged.
General consciousness around policing and racism has shifted dramatically, with 54 percent of Americans supporting the protests and the burning down of the police precinct. This makes the burning down of a police station more popular than both Trump and Biden.
A veto-proof majority in the Minneapolis city council pledged to take steps to disband the Minneapolis Police Department. This would not abolish the police in Minneapolis but is a tremendous opening for the struggle to reduce policing and institute alternatives.
The Minneapolis School Board ended their contract with the police, a victory for the wider “Cops out of schools” movement.
The University of Minnesota ended its contract with the police.
Minneapolis Parks and Recreation ended its contract with the police.
The State of Minnesota filed a civil rights lawsuit against the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD).
The mayor of Los Angeles announced that the city’s police budget would be cut by 100-150 million to reinvest it in programs to better conditions for Black residents.
Los Angeles put a moratorium on adding individuals to the police gang database.
The mayor of New York City announced he would shift an “unspecified” amount of money from the police budget to youth programs.
New York City ended the police enforcement of street vendor violations.
Louisville temporarily suspended the use of “no-knock” warrants, the kind of warrant that was used by police to kill Breonna Taylor, and took steps toward banning them entirely.
Portland, OR public schools decided to end the use of police in schools.
Transit unions in at least Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, Washington DC, and Boston refused to transport protesters arrested by the police. In Minneapolis, Boston, and Pittsburgh they also refused to transport police.
Statues honoring the slave-owner’s reactionary cause, originally raised as a reaction to the Civil Rights movement, have been removed by local governments or direct action in Richmond, VA, Birmingham, Montgomery, Alexandria, VA, and Baltimore.
The statue of a slave trader in Bristol, England was tossed into the sea.
The mural of notoriously racist cop and mayor Frank Rizzo was removed in Philadelphia.
Cracks have developed in the U.S. military, with a growing resistance among soldiers to being deployed to suppress protests.
Los Angeles Pride announced that the Pride parade this year would be reinstated as a Black Lives Matter protest.
Indianapolis Pride announced it will not have police at Pride events. Cops out of Pride.
The cops in Atlanta who assaulted two individuals during protests were charged.
Cops in Buffalo who assaulted an elderly man at a protest were arrested.
The National Football League made a decision to allow kneeling protests by players.
Dallas Police attempts to spy on protesters via anonymous submitted videos were soundly thwarted by a solidarity swarm of online K-pop fans who overwhelmed the police app.
A Denver judge issued a restraining order limiting the use of tear gas and rubber bullets by police at protests.
Seattle’s central Labor Council (MLK Labor) threatened to expel the Seattle Police Officers Guild from the body.
Mayors in Los Angeles, New York City, and Chicago were all forced to lift curfews while protests continued.
Officials from both parties in Congress were forced to announce the initiation of a process to place limitations on the 1033 Program, which funnels military equipment to local police departments.
Fuji Bikes suspended the sale of bicycles to police departments.


Week Three

In San Francisco, unarmed professionals rather than militarized police will now be responding to non-criminal police calls.
Hours after the police murder of Rayshard Brooks, the Atlanta chief of police resigned and the killer cop was fired.
Denver public schools voted unanimously to remove police from Denver schools.
Boston is cutting $12 million from its police department and redistributing the money to community services.
Minneapolis city council voted unanimously to eliminate its police department and replace it with an as-yet undefined community alternative.
Protesters in Seattle took over a police precinct and held the area against police for several days so far, declaring the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”
Statues of the genocidal colonizer Christopher Columbus have been beheaded and removed in St. Paul and Boston, and defaced elsewhere.
The Scottish Parliament voted stop sale of tear gas, rubber bullets, and riot shields and to create a museum of their relationship with the slave trade.
Statues of the genocidal King Leopold II were toppled in Brussels and Antwerp.
The statue of racist confederate leader Jefferson Davis was removed from the Kentucky capitol.
New York repealed a law, known as Section 50-a, which kept police disciplinary records secret, opening them up to the public for the first time in decades.
The NFL, Nike, and other corporations made Juneteenth, which celebrates the end of slavery in the United States, a paid holiday.
Dockworkers of the ILWU announced they would shut down twenty nine ports across the West Coast on June 19th (Juneteenth) in solidarity with the protests over the murder of George Floyd and against systemic racism.
NASCAR banned the use of confederate flags at all events and properties.
After years of ignoring the righteous protests of Colin Kaepernick and others, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell was forced to issue an apology and endorsement of protests against racism, while public opinion has swelled behind Kaepernick.
After removing the only Black members of the dance team at the University of Washington, the dance team coach was fired and the cut members were asked to return.
After public outcry, Trump was forced to back down and reschedule his racist rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma from Juneteenth.
After 30 years of spewing pro-police propaganda and perpetuating racist stereotypes, the TV show “COPS” has been cancelled.
Merriam Webster changed the dictionary definition of racism to include systemic racism.
After public outcry, the president and board chair of the overwhelmingly white Poetry foundation were forced to resign.
The Minneapolis Police Department is hemorrhaging cops, as demoralization spreads and police are quitting.
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Cont’d from above...


Week Four

The statue of Christopher Columbus at City Hall in Columbus, Ohio will be removed.
The city of Rochester, NY is cutting $3.6 million from the police budget, cutting the incoming police class by half, and removing all police from schools.
Colorado passed several police reforms, most notably allowing police to be held personally liable for civil rights violations (i.e. ending qualified immunity).
The King County Labor Council in Seattle voted to expel the Seattle Police Officers Guild, freeing the labor movement of 1,300 cops.
The NYPD announced it would disband its extremely racist plainclothes anti-crime units.
The West Contra Costa Unified School District in the Bay Area voted unanimously to end contracts with police, redirecting $1.5 million to support African-American student achievement.
Seattle City Council unanimously passed legislation banning Seattle police from using or purchasing teargas, blast balls, rubber bullets, and several other weapons.
The statue of Thomas Jefferson, who enslaved and brutalized human beings, was torn down at Jefferson high school in Portland Oregon.
Juneteenth was declared an official public holiday in Philadelphia, and an official paid state holiday in Pennsylvania, New York, and Virginia,
The statue of Cecil Rhodes, the infamous British imperialist and white supremacist, at the University of Oxford is being removed.
One of the cops who murdered Breonna Taylor will be fired.
The cop who murdered Rayshard Brooks–who had already been fired–was charged with felony murder.
Three Confederate monuments were removed from downtown Raleigh, North Carolina.
The rebellion is breathing antiracist life into the labor movement, with over five hundred strikes recorded in its first three weeks, and more antiracist workplace actions being organized.
A political strike against racism and police terror carried out by the International Longshore and Warehouse Union shut down west coast ports from Washington state to San Diego on Juneteenth.
In the midst of ungovernable rebellion against racism, an overwhelmingly conservative Supreme Court of the United States took landmark votes protecting LGBTQ workers on the job and blocking Trump’s bid to end the DACA program. We consider these victories inseparable from the mass disruptive power of the antiracist uprising.

Week Five

The Oakland school district disbanded its police department and allocated 2.5 million dollars to student programs.
The San Francisco Board of Education voted unanimously to end its contract with police and declared San Francisco schools “sanctuary space from law enforcement.”
The Mississippi legislature voted to remove the Confederate battle flag from their state flag.
272 cops in New York City have filed for retirement since the beginning of the rebellion. Unfortunately their positions will probably be filled, but demoralized cops quitting is undoubtedly a movement victory.
The governor of Colorado overrode the decision of the district attorney and reopened an investigation into the killing of Elijah McClain in police custody from August of last year.
Seventeen correctional officers were disciplined–only a slap on the wrist, and hardly enough–for the death of Layleen Xtravaganza Cubilette-Polanco, a trans-woman who died in custody due their negligence last year.
St. Paul School Board voted to end its contract with the St. Paul Police Department.
More monuments to colonizers and slavers have fallen: The statue of Theodore Roosevelt in front of the Museum of Natural History in New York City has been removed. The City of Philadelphia will remove a statue of Christopher Columbus in Marconi Plaza. Protesters toppled and set ablaze a statue of a confederate general in Washington D.C.
Seattle Public Schools voted unanimously to suspend their partnership with the Seattle Police department indefinitely.
Princeton University will remove racist president Woodrow Wilson’s name from one of their schools.
This is certainly a partial list, but it is reflective of the massive shifts and concrete gains that the rebellion has propelled from the realm of the unthinkable into reality. These gains, like any reform, are partial and tenuous. They are far from perfect. They are concessions thrown out by a system being contested trying to save itself. Their ultimate impact is yet to be settled. But they reflect how quickly things can change when people take action from below, disrupting business as usual through often illegal action, outside the designated and sanctioned channels. These wins, and surely more to come, are products of a struggle from below, fueled by rage and fire, celebration and joy. And we are just getting started.

This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.

https://rampantmag.com/2020/06/08/re...a-list-so-far/
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More Rebellion, More Results: A List of Victories
Sean Larson
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Posted onJune 15, 2020

Three weeks of open rebellion in the streets have yielded even more victories for the nationwide movement against racism and police brutality. Here is a list of wins from the third week.

View part one of this list here.

The nationwide antiracist rebellion that began on May 26 has now lasted three weeks, and provided a case study in how political and social change happens. Over 2,000 cities and towns across the United States and the globe have witnessed protests in the wake of George Floyd’s state-sanctioned murder. After the defiant movement racked up an impressive list of swift wins over the course of its first two weeks, the last week has seen even more victories.

While police precincts and fast food chains go up in flames, decades-old bureaucratic barriers and slow negotiations seem to have melted away as elected officials scramble to do the bare minimum for Black lives. Their political will, it turns out, can suddenly manifest in full force if the streets become ungovernable. If these past few weeks show us anything, it is, to paraphrase Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, that abolition doesn’t need to be a long, drawn-out process. It can be decided over a weekend: Call a meeting, assemble the right people in a room, take a vote, and get rid of the police.

The point of this list, just like our previous list, is to document the unprecedented changes achieved not by gradual, bread-and-butter electoral work safely contained within the Democratic Party, or by routine, friendly bargaining with the boss, but rather by open rebellion in the streets. As we enter week four of our generation’s greatest collective struggle, the list of our movement’s wins once again proves a fundamental lesson: riots get results.

In San Francisco, unarmed professionals rather than militarized police will now be responding to non-criminal police calls.
Hours after the police murder of Rayshard Brooks, the Atlanta chief of police resigned and the killer cop was fired.
Denver public schools voted unanimously to remove police from Denver schools.
Boston is cutting $12 million from its police department and redistributing the money to community services.
Minneapolis city council voted unanimously to eliminate its police department and replace it with an as-yet undefined community alternative.
Protesters in Seattle took over a police precinct and held the area against police for several days so far, declaring the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”
Statues of the genocidal colonizer Christopher Columbus have been beheaded and removed in St. Paul and Boston, and defaced elsewhere.
Statues of the genocidal King Leopold II were toppled in Brussels and Antwerp.
The statue of racist confederate leader Jefferson Davis was removed from the Kentucky capitol.
New York repealed a law, known as Section 50-a, which kept police disciplinary records secret, opening them up to the public for the first time in decades.
The NFL, Nike, and other corporations made Juneteenth, which celebrates the end of slavery in the United States, a paid holiday.
Dockworkers of the ILWU announced they would shut down twenty nine ports across the West Coast on June 19th (Juneteenth) in solidarity with the protests over the murder of George Floyd and against systemic racism.
NASCAR banned the use of confederate flags at all events and properties.
After years of ignoring the righteous protests of Colin Kaepernick and others, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell was forced to issue an apology and endorsement of protests against racism, while public opinion has swelled behind Kaepernick.
After removing the only Black members of the dance team at the University of Washington, the dance team coach was fired and the cut members were asked to return.
After public outcry, Trump was forced to back down and reschedule his racist rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma from Juneteenth.
After 30 years of spewing pro-police propaganda and perpetuating racist stereotypes, the TV show “COPS” has been cancelled.
Merriam Webster changed the dictionary definition of racism to include systemic racism.
After public outcry, the president and board chair of the overwhelmingly white Poetry foundation were forced to resign.
The Minneapolis Police Department is hemorrhaging cops, as demoralization spreads and police are quitting.

This is certainly a partial list, but it is reflective of the massive shifts and concrete gains that the rebellion has propelled from the realm of the unthinkable into reality. These gains are tenuous, and it will take continued rebellion to secure and build upon them until the entirety of racial capitalism is torn down and a truly free world is able to take its place. What we have now is far from perfect, and the backlash has already begun. But as we move forward during these historic weeks, we would do well to remember that the means by which these swift and unprecedented victories have been won have included street demonstrations, workplace solidarity, often illegal defiance of municipal orders, and riots.

This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.

https://rampantmag.com/2020/06/15/mo...-of-victories/
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A bunch of socialist revolutionaries

Oh, who is Rampant?

WE ARE RAMPANT
Rampant is firmly grounded in the need to strengthen and expand the self-reliance of social movements and worker organizing. We are unapologetically anti-racist, feminist, and revolutionary socialist.

Our goals are multiple and overlapping. We aim to make the structures of ruling class power visible and to highlight how they shape everyone’s lived realities. But our goal isn’t simply to understand the world, we aim to change it—Rampant will be a platform for current debates about movement organizing and political strategy. Finally, we want to open up space for dreaming, for imagining a socialist future built from the raw materials of our everyday lives.

Rampant is based in Chicago, a city that has been both a laboratory and ideological factory for capital as well as a red metropolis of class struggle in the United States. From the Haymarket martyrs, to the mass Communist Party stopping evictions in the 1930s, to the Black Lives Matter movement and the 2012 teachers’ strike that catalyzed a new wave of worker militancy, Chicago is the beating heart of revolutionary politics in this country and we are proud to call it home.

We are an editorial collective of Chicago-based socialist activists and writers: brian bean, Dana Blanchard, Rachel Cohen, Anton Ford, Eric Kerl, Sean Larson, and Tyler Zimmer.

https://rampantmag.com/about-rampant/
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The Redistribution of Loot
Tyler Zimmer

Posted onJune 4, 2020

Wealth, under capitalism, is loot. What is commonly called “looting” is a redistribution of that wealth.

For just a moment, think about looting not as a moral question, but purely in terms of how material resources are distributed.

There are millions of people who need all manner of basic goods: food, medicines, clothes, electronics, etc. These goods exist in abundance; indeed, they are being hoarded by corporations and stockpiled in warehouses and retail outlets. In the midst of widespread unmet needs, they sit collecting dust.

This is inefficient. It would be far better to get those goods to the people who need them than to permit them to sit idly on shelves, out of reach.

We could go further: the radically unequal distribution of wealth in the U.S. is wildly inefficient. It means unconscionable hoards of wealth for a tiny minority who can’t even make good use of it in a lifetime, while the vast majority suffers material deprivation, anxious about their ability to meet their most basic needs. It’s akin to a cafeteria with 100 people that piles 95% of the food on the plates of three people while the other 97 fight over the remaining 5%. This is not simply unjust, it’s extremely wasteful.

Indeed, on the South Side of Chicago, every large grocery store was looted over the weekend. On Monday their shelves were bare, and their windows were boarded up. That people are looting grocery stores—taking milk, eggs, bread, produce, everything on the shelf—speaks volumes about the conditions of their lives after two months of quarantine, but it also reveals what looting is.

Despite skyrocketing unemployment and plummeting working class incomes in midst of a public health crisis, the authorities have not suspended rent payments, mortgage payments, debt servicing, utilities. As a result, more than is usually the case, masses of people are struggling to meet their most basic needs. And in the meantime, billionaires have been making bank.

This is not a state of affairs that deserves to be maintained. Indeed, under circumstances such as these, just about any flow of resources from rich to poor is justified.

Now, some will respond that though this may be true from a purely distributive point of view, it becomes problematic once we ask who will continue to produce goods in a situation in which finished products are simply taken by those who need them.

But here we need to be Marxists: who produces those goods in the first place? Who transports them? Who shelves them? Who designs them? Who engineers the production process? Who mines the raw materials from which those goods are made?

Not corporate shareholders. Not the Jeff Bezos’s and Elon Musk’s of the world. Workers do all of those things.

Workers do all of those things in spite of the fact that they do not get to keep the massive amount of wealth their labor creates. They do these things even though they regularly produce much more wealth on the job than they get paid in wages. So far as they’re concerned, it’s better that other working people in need get that wealth than the greedy, non-laboring bosses who pocket the bulk of the company’s revenue.

On the south side of Chicago, people are looting grocery stores
But indefinite looting will surely disrupt the production processes of capitalism, won’t it? Why will capitalists continue investing capital and paying workers to produce goods if they cannot earn profit?

To these questions we might respond with a few questions of our own: why should we want to fix capitalism? Why should we want to continue an intolerable situation in which production only proceeds on the grounds that it yields—via exploitation—sufficient payoffs for non-laboring owners? Why should we have to pay ransom to the idle ruling class in order to get the things we need and to get income from the work we do?

Socialism removes the middleman. Simply put, it is working-class control of production. It means that the working class produces what it needs and keeps what it produces. No skimming capitalists. No parasitic ruling class forcing us to produce profit for them under unsafe conditions for a pittance—so that they can get richer.

Instead of hand-wringing about the morality of theft in the abstract, we should be asking about how to construct an alternative to a system that forces people to “loot” in order to get access to the most basic necessities of life.

https://rampantmag.com/2020/06/04/th...ution-of-loot/


Tyler Zimmer is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America and the co-chair of the Chicago DSA Anti-Racist Working Group. He is also a member of the Rampant editorial collective.
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I referenced this movie elsewhere here, but his seems like a good time and place to post it again. Wild in the Streets (1968):

https://www.*******.com/watch?v=vcUv...index=3&t=111s

Enjoy! (You know how to find it. )
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Albiet from 1963, and times have changed... but....
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Nothing is the above fistful of posts surprises - nor should it surprise - ANYONE that has followed politics during the last couple of generations. The manifesto has remained unchanged for nearly 100 years.

I believe it was Keyser Söze masquerading as Verbal Kint while quoting Charles Baudelaire who once said, “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”

Well, the greatest trick the left has ever pulled was convincing the world that they aren't actually Marxists.You know, power to the people and all that jazz.
NOTHING that is happening in America today extends beyond the realm of an "I told you so" in response to political opinions that would have gotten you locked into a mental institution during the Clinton years.

...and here we are

Here's another "conspiratorial" prediction - criminals will continue to be emboldened by their newfound freedom - innocent people will find themselves increasingly downtrodden by oppression - the more that good people ALLOW bad people to trample them, the more that bad people will "trample" everyone.
...maybe not just "you" next time. Your kids, your aging parents, the poor, the meek, and the infirm will ALL be trampled because the evil have been emboldened.
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As an SF Guy operating in the local A O I started teaching my children & grandchildren THE REALITY of THE WORLD that we live in The old saying "All Politics are Local", that's true, SO the first bastards that my CIDG will go after will be the locals & their followers. Compare my local community to a village in the Central Highlands of II Corps and you can prepare a plan of action before the shooting starts. Two big mistakes the South Vietnamese & The U S Government made 1. The South Vietnamese DID NOT have a stable government, The "Elitist" in Saigon looked down on the Montagnard population The USA did very little in giving aid & support to the Montagnard people & the the U S Army Special Forces that organized, trained, respected and treated equally.
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...SO the first bastards that my CIDG will go after will be the locals & their followers.
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:11   #508
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As an SF Guy operating in the local A O I started teaching my children & grandchildren THE REALITY of THE WORLD that we live in The old saying "All Politics are Local", that's true, SO the first bastards that my CIDG will go after will be the locals & their followers. Compare my local community to a village in the Central Highlands of II Corps and you can prepare a plan of action before the shooting starts. Two big mistakes the South Vietnamese & The U S Government made 1. The South Vietnamese DID NOT have a stable government, The "Elitist" in Saigon looked down on the Montagnard population The USA did very little in giving aid & support to the Montagnard people & the the U S Army Special Forces that organized, trained, respected and treated equally.
I remind people that if we were to be invaded by China that the leftist would be the collaboraters pointing out resistors....the looks on peoples faces there brains start spinning....but the truth is they would be that exactly that. I know what I am looking for in people and have been vetting people my whole adult life as ws all do.....concentric circles for associates is like defense in depth
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I remind people that if we were to be invaded by China that the leftist would be the collaboraters pointing out resistors....the looks on peoples faces there brains start spinning....but the truth is they would be that exactly that. I know what I am looking for in people and have been vetting people my whole adult life as ws all do.....concentric circles for associates is like defense in depth
Many politicians are fostering that behavior & rewarding it right now with calls to snitch on "resistors" who don't wear a mask, or restaurants that don't have tables 6' apart. Old ladies look out windows & call 911 to report a mom in a park across the street playing 3-way catch with her kids asking an officer to verify if they're "same household." Look in your most local of rags & see who writes what for editorials. These people pop flares on themselves; you just have to know what the flare looks like.
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little meeting tomorrow on taking power.

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