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Old 02-20-2012, 22:30   #16
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"VIETNAMESE Parachute Badge"

I received this documented information from
Department of the Army
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Board for the correction of Military Records
1901 South Bell Street 2nd Floor
Arlington, VA. 22202-4508

On November 26, 2007 The Army Board for Correction of Military Records rendered a decision on your application to correct your military records: Page 6, Discussion and Conclusions: item no.3 Evidence of record showes that the applicant completed the Republic of Vietnam Special Forces Parachute training on 24 May 1964. HOWEVER, Army Regulation 635-5 states that training courses for combat skills will not be listed in item 29 of the DD Form 214.
Paragraph no.4. The "Vietnamese Parachute Badge" is not listed in Army Regulation 600-8-22 as an authorized award and therefore it is not authorized foe entry on the DD Form 214. More importantly, there is no evidence to show that the Republic of Vietnam awarded to him or, if it was awarded to him, that the proper authorities authorized him to accept and wear it.
The U S Army Special Forces Vietnam Provisional later to become the th Special Forces Group taught The Airborne Parachute Course including making parachute jumps with the South Vietnamese Special Forces (LLDB). NO AMERICAN CIVILAN or MILITARY personal were in these classes.
Since The Vietnamese Parachute Badge is not listed on my DD 214 I DO NOT and Never have worn it....Documentation avaiable upon request.
May Be the Marines have different critera....Regard's, Tom Kelly
P S: while on this subject; another point of history is often misrepesented. The only combat jump made during the Vietnam War was Operation Junction City. It took place mid-morning hrs. Feb.22,1967 west of Kotum in the Tay Ninh area. The Jump Manifest lists 845 names ,ranks, and Army serial numbers. The Drop Zone was SECURE there were other american paratroopers,Pathfinders on the ground before the green light went on at 0900 hrs.The names on the jump manifest are on-line Jump Manifest of Junction City and the site is up-dated constantly by The 173 Airborne Birgade Association. Over the years I have met people who claimed to have made that combat jump; BUT, their names are NOT listed on the manifest.I personally know one of the people on the manifese Pfc. Joseph P. Bayne
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:44   #17
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CSM Plumley sports them as well:
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AVN Jump wings.
Old 02-21-2012, 08:10   #18
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AVN Jump wings.

I don't know the answer to the question, but I have asked and I am waiting for a reply. As soon as I get a response and if I get one, I will post it on here. It may be awhile.

In my research about the question pertaining to ARVN Jump Wings, I did find this interesting bit of information that many of you might enjoy. http://www.library.vanderbilt.edu/ce...e-Khe-Sanh.htm

And folks, if you go onto my blog to check out the interview. Please check out the post I wrote titled "My Goal.". I could really use your help in achieving it! Thank you very much!

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Old 02-21-2012, 08:48   #19
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CSM Plumley sports them as well:
CSM Plumley needs to correct the order of the arrangement of his ribbons...

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RVN JUMP SCHOOL
Old 02-21-2012, 09:07   #20
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RVN JUMP SCHOOL

B-36 sent me and SFC Cheney to Dong Ba Thin to go through the 5th SFGA jump School!
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ARVN versus French?
Old 02-21-2012, 10:14   #21
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Not sure CSM Plumley is sporting ARVN wings. It could be that his wings are actually French, since the two are pretty much....identical and considering his background. Read this: http://cgsc.cdmhost.com/cdm/singleit.../id/5327/rec/2

They're not French, I've been told. Doesn't mean he isn't authorized...

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Old 02-21-2012, 12:07   #22
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Looks like some american personnel did attend jump school there. Did you ever file this certificate for orders to be authorized to wear the wings?

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Old 02-22-2012, 13:19   #23
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Not sure CSM Plumley is sporting ARVN wings. It could be that his wings are actually French, since the two are pretty much....identical and considering his background. Read this: http://cgsc.cdmhost.com/cdm/singleit.../id/5327/rec/2

They're not French, I've been told. Doesn't mean he isn't authorized...
Here's the French Wings..
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Old 02-22-2012, 22:31   #24
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Parachute Badge:

The parachute badge(Jump Wings) worn by SGM.(R) Basil Plumley as shown in the photo in post #19 are the ARVN wings. The slight difference between the French and ARVN parachute badges is that the French wings have golden folige(similar to the olive branch held in the right talon of the eagle inThe Great Seal of The United States) located on both sides of the star at the bottom of the chute....TK

PS. The SGM was 92 years old on Jan.1,2012 and has 5 combat jumps, 4 in WWII and 1 in Korea with the 187th RCT.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:23   #25
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The Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian parachutist badges are all similar in that they are patterned after the French wings because all three were once a part of the French colony of Indochina (Indochine Française).

If you look at the various parachutist badges throughout the world, you will find a similar pattern of their being copied from those of the major powers with which they were aligned, especially those influenced by France, Great Britain, and the USA.

All that being said, I'm still curious as to how Mr Dye came about wearing the ARVN wings.

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Old 02-23-2012, 14:37   #26
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Looks like some american personnel did attend jump school there. Did you ever file this certificate for orders to be authorized to wear the wings?
Yes I did! My MOS became 11F4PSVS - Infantry Intelligence & Operations Specialist - Airborne Qualified - With a Language Code for having the ability to speak VIETANMESE (SVS).

The DD214 also shows that I grauated from Pathfinder, Recondo School and the MATTA Senior NCO Co

Edited by Richard - I removed your DD214 and suggest you blank out your SSAN before reposting or posting it in any open threads.
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Old 02-23-2012, 16:00   #27
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The Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian parachutist badges are all similar in that they are patterned after the French wings because all three were once a part of the French colony of Indochina (Indochine Française).

If you look at the various parachutist badges throughout the world, you will find a similar pattern of their being copied from those of the major powers with which they were aligned, especially those influenced by France, Great Britain, and the USA.

All that being said, I'm still curious as to how Mr Dye came about wearing the ARVN wings.

Richard
Capt.(R) Dale Dye does not seem to be wearing U S Army Parachute wings on his dress blues. I do not think he would have attended ARVN parachute training without first attending the US Army Special Forces parachute training?The 5th Special Forces Gp. conducted parachute school and The Long Range Recon school in Vietnam. Since Dale Dye was a Marine, i doubt if he could get a slot at jump school, The only Marines that I knew that were on jump status were The Force Recon Marines & they were all jump qualified before going to Vietnam. ...TK
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Making his own movie
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After working as an actor and/or technical director on many films including Saving Private Ryan, Platoon, The Pacific, Band of Brothers, and others, Dale Dye is on a mission to make his own movie based on the battle at La Fiere Bridge on D-Day:

No Better Place to Die

He's crowdfunding it.

The Facebook page: https://twitter.com/CaptDaleDye

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Black Rifle Coffee Company did a promo for it:

https://www.*******.com/watch?v=TnIVW-N69Sc
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Black Rifle Coffee Company did a promo for it:

https://www.*******.com/watch?v=TnIVW-N69Sc
I hope both those guys get rolls . . . in fact rolls and coffee as the on-set caterers.

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