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Old 01-24-2020, 11:53   #76
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I don't think I could disagree MORE with that viewpoint.

Liberals DO NOT demonstrate a desire to "do no harm" - they repeatedly and zealously display the exact opposite intentions.

A "do no harm" approach to morality suggests that I will leave you to your own devices. I will not intervene in your affairs. I will not force my value system upon you.
Well, it is my observation that NEITHER side of the political spectrum can lay claim to a sincere "do no harm" attitude.
...forget for a moment that I am a rabid, unapologetic, hypocritical, bitter, partisan conservative:

-Conservatives want to legislate when you can buy booze on Sunday. Conservatives want to legislate what kind of plants you can smoke. In short my dear conservative colleagues want to legislate morality.
-Liberals want to legislate your acceptance of their values. Liberal want to legislate how you celebrate your religion. Liberals want to legislate how your children are educated. Liberals even want to legislate how you manage your finances and property.


Caring for others suggests a charitable approach to society at large. Liberals would stop churches from running soup kitchens because they didn't pay for the appropriate food service permits. Liberals run the most dangerous and harmful cities in America by passing laws that do NOTHING to impact criminals choosing instead to pass laws that restrict law abiding citizens. conservative pass laws that allow EVERYONE to keep more of their own money.

Liberals absolutely disrespect the essence of Fairness/Justice/Equality. Liberals have fought a brutal (admittedly bloodless) cultural war to force "gender-norming" on the American public. Liberals have fought to "award" people based on identify groups and not ability. Liberals fight to advance special treatment over equal treatment.
...liberals are why MEN now hold world records in WOMENS sporting events.

Liberals DEMAND In-Group Loyalty - its why Ellen Degenerous was lambasted in the media for sitting next to a former president at a sporting event. It is why Vince Vaughn was lambasted for shaking hands with a president. It is why Kanye West is now persona-non-grata in liberal circles. In-Group Loyalty is the top priority of the left.

Liberals DEMAND respect of their authority. (however, they will refuse to respect anyone elses authority)
Its why Nancy Pelosi thinks "she" is equal to the president. Its why house democrats think they can dictate how the senate performs their duties. Its why Virginia is a political shit show.
Its also why the "counterculture" of the 1960's has spent the last 50 years trying to overthrow the nations power structure. Its why "hands up don't shoot" became such a national outcry for race baiting linerals (even though is was founded on a known lie). Its also why a football player kneeling in prayer is unacceptable, but kneeling in protest of authority is worshiped.
Liberals DEMAND respect of their authority but they do NOT respect any one else's authority.

Jonathan Haidt's research is WAAAAY off the mark in his rose-colored assessment of liberal morals. It is impossible to base your theory on a set of morals when you practice overt moral relativity. The fact that an academic would advance a proposal that liberals profess the morals of compassion and fairness tells me that he probably votes democrat and more specifically that he likely provides active support to the clinton syndicate.

...just my two cents. I could be wrong
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Old 01-24-2020, 13:17   #77
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Lol, they’re sure as hell working on it !

ETA - Box’s observations in post #71 above are well worth the time to reread !
+1 on that one.

One thing the I net has done, is make it harder for either side to hide what their true colors are.
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Old 01-24-2020, 16:50   #78
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I understood Haidt's distinction between liberal and conservative to be on a different axis than the distinction between statist and libertarian.
While liberals currently tend towards statism, it isn't the same thing.

Leftists are a whole different creature, and while they claim to be liberals, they're not.
Real liberals do exist, but they do tend to suffer from the inability to comprehend economics.

Conservatives are battling leftists pretending to be liberals.
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Old 01-25-2020, 06:23   #79
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I don't think I could disagree MORE with that viewpoint.
WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!!!!

Liberal definition: “The least tolerant group that constantly protest and demands tolerance.”
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Old 01-25-2020, 07:20   #80
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WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!!!!

Liberal definition: “The least tolerant group that constantly protest and demands tolerance.”
They keep using that word... Tolerance. I do not think it means, what they think it means.

...but then they just change the definition so words mean whatever they want these days.

...and I find it amusing that the only viewpoints THEY tolerate are their own, and attack other people who's views differ.
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Old 01-25-2020, 07:36   #81
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They keep using that word... Tolerance. I do not think it means, what they think it means.

...but then they just change the definition so words mean whatever they want these days.

...and I find it amusing that the only viewpoints THEY tolerate are their own, and attack other people who's views differ.
I can handle the intolerance it has been around for a long time. It is the way that they are consumed with hatred towards anyone who does not see things their way that bothers me the most. For the time being I believe that there are more of us than there are of them and that will be enough to keep the wackiest of the left out of the White House at least for another four years.
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Old 01-25-2020, 14:00   #82
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I can handle the intolerance it has been around for a long time. It is the way that they are consumed with hatred towards anyone who does not see things their way that bothers me the most. For the time being I believe that there are more of us than there are of them and that will be enough to keep the wackiest of the left out of the White House at least for another four years.
Before starting "My View" on this Thread let me acknowledge that I Know that Everyone in the internet universe can read these posts. First, The left, liberal, radical progressive has come out of the closet in every segment of American (only the U S) culture. Their socialist philosophy is a cancer that has consumed American Values. The Democrat Political machine is trying to have a Coup d' e-tat with the sham impeachment of the elected POTUS as you read this. The Radical left democrat politicians in congress are trying to steal the U S A and since they are a cancer that has no enemies they must be neutralized if we the grass roots right are to survive. I have said this before that there can be no peaceful separation between the Radical left and the conservatives there is only one solution. STOP the Radical Left NOW, call your Senator in Wash.D C and DEMAND THEY VOTE TO END THIS SHAM IMPEACHMENT. "Mark My Words" by John Mark...Look it up u-tube.
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Old 01-25-2020, 18:50   #83
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I agree with ^^ TK ^^, this is happening now because the '60s socialist, communist, radical revolutionaries now have one foot in the grave and this is their last hurrah. And they will not go quietly. They are out for blood and ANTIFA, MS-13, and other gangs are to be their berserker troops.
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Old 01-25-2020, 19:54   #84
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I agree with ^^ TK ^^, this is happening now because the '60s socialist, communist, radical revolutionaries now have one foot in the grave and this is their last hurrah. And they will not go quietly. They are out for blood and ANTIFA, MS-13, and other gangs are to be their berserker troops.
I’ve been saying this for awhile now. Hollywood types (Cher, Alec Baldwin, Robert De Niro, et all) have been less bashful and more open about their opinions but it is interesting to watch the old school politicians come out of the closet and join with the elitist class of socialist educated millennials like AOC.

It will end about as well as it has historically, in flames! Just ask Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, and that guy currently running Venezuela into the ground. Examples the left and socialist have a hard time recognizing.

Unlike those examples we still have our guns...when does the shooting war begin? ETA: And more importantly - can we avoid it?
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Unlike those examples we still have our guns...when does the shooting war begin? ETA: And more importantly - can we avoid it?
Exactly. I don't expect it to last long but I don't see how we can avoid it. With most large Demon run cities inviting illegals and homeless into their jurisdictions and, increasingly, releasing violent criminals, quickly, back onto the streets, I don't see how it can be avoided. It largely depends on the Sheriffs of the various counties. Only they can deputize citizens and avoid vigilante justice. But...will they step up? The VA Sheriffs are showing promise and, hopefully, the way.

We shall see.
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Armatures vs. Professionals

As the old axiom goes, “Armatures study tactics, Professionals study logistics”. The logistical underbelly associated with all metro areas is where the real fight will be. I foresee the average LEO response in the rural areas to be similar to the VA experience. The real UW effort will be controlling the logistical areas surrounding the cities vis-à-vis Food / Water and Fuel / Electricity. All cities are on what is known as “just-in-time” logistical structures where by the food on the shelves will be gone in less than 24 hours without re-supply. If this all kicks off (likely due to a commie president / congress that collapses the USD similar to the housing crises), avoid major urban areas, and be prepared to control the perimeter of them to keep the rats on the ship. The absolute longest this will continue will be one winter as long as the urban population is forced to stay in their utopia thereby forcing them to accept the conditions set by the rural populations. Those conditions will likely look like a set of amendments to the USC that returns this nation to a Republic where the rule of law over government is restored.

But I’m just a Grunt, trained to carry a SATCOM, working as an instructor at a Sniper School..... what do I know?
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The real UW effort will be controlling the logistical areas surrounding the cities vis-à-vis Food / Water and Fuel / Electricity. All cities are on what is known as “just-in-time” logistical structures where by the food on the shelves will be gone in less than 24 hours without re-supply.
This is the Left's strength and weakness. Their cities have most of the ports and they think that they will be well supplied. But, they also believe that the military will be on their side. They are wrong. The Coast Guard and Navy will cut off shipping and neighboring states like AZ, NV, ID, etc., will cut off rail and road service to CA and likewise around the other coastal cities. Air service is more difficult but not sufficient to be very effective except to small extent. The 'berserkers" I mentioned earlier will then prey on them. Game! Set! and eventually, Match.
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Their cities have most of the ports and they think that they will be well supplied. But, they also believe that the military will be on their side. They are wrong. The Coast Guard and Navy will cut off shipping and neighboring states like AZ, NV, ID, etc., will cut off rail and road service to CA and likewise around the other coastal cities. Air service is more difficult but not sufficient to be very effective except to small extent. The 'berserkers" I mentioned earlier will then prey on them. Game! Set! and eventually, Match.
I bet the right small number of people could stop OTR truck traffic servicing a metro hive. Difficulties with utilities (and thence, telecomm) that make EBT cards inop would put that predator/prey relationship in stark floodlight and redefine "just in time" lol.

A former colleague I used to hang with on some planning cell projects back in the day is still in the area and, both retired, we chat now & then, running "what if's" like we're still kids. And I still listen; 'cause he's the best logistician I ever met.
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Interesting tidbit on personal logistic when shtf.

When Hurricane Irene hit NYC, our little family made the decision to wait it out in Upper Bucks County, PA. We invited dear close friends and family members to join us. Gracia, da Nada. We are Good, you sure? Yes!

Situated with the basic’s: sterno for heat and cooking, solar lamps, the larder that only a restaurant can supply, Irene afforded us a family campout reunion. We were good for the entire event.

Those that chose not to leave Manhattan’s Upper East Side, (84th&Park) Chelsea (24th & 10th), and Long Islands gold coast, suffered horribly, with attempted break in’s, using the family car for heat, without food, for those on Long Island, without water for several days, they were regretful, but have not altered their behavior post Irene.

Alerted to this possible pandemic, 2 comments in the derogatory stated “prepper” in the negative and one “your such a “Trumpster”.

If, God forbid, we settle this political dispute by force, its a mismatch of epic proportions. My one question is in that scenario how does the Combined Military of the The United States react, remember McArthur's clearing the Capitol of WW1 Veterans, The Oath we all swore to, react. Are we Patriots or revolutionaries.
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If, God forbid, we settle this political dispute by force, its a mismatch of epic proportions. My one question is in that scenario how does the Combined Military of the The United States react, remember McArthur's clearing the Capitol of WW1 Veterans, The Oath we all swore to, react. Are we Patriots or revolutionaries.
A young man I work with & I have this conversation often. He did a hitch with the army in Afghanistan & I've asked what his opinion of the people he knew would "just following orders" if faced with armed resistance attempting to restore our Republic. He figured about 10%. I argue that the number would be much higher especially in states where LEO was already used to enforcing tyrannical laws to pad the state coffers. (You have to protect those dental plans). Both of us have no idea what the numbers would be of the combined .mil/leo that would side with the left in the US. If the .mil was called up via the NG, I believe it would not turn out favorable for the left in the court of public opinion.

Look at one lone determined individual did in CA, Chris Dorner pretty much shut down LEO in a large part of the state by himself. Imagine what a number of small teams of determined Patriots could do to disrupt utilities, distribution networks, .gov day to day operations, etc. Look at the number of Patriots that showed up for Lobby Day in VA. I read elsewhere that the number of Patriots were anywhere from 22k to 80k. Conservatively, the low number would put the ratio of 4:1 Patriot to LEO of any flavor including the state NG. The scary part is that the dems in VA don't seem to see it or even care as they continue to push through their anti gun agenda.

At this stage, IMO, in order to keep any momentum garnered from the VA Lobby Day event, we should be aligning ourselves with the local Sheriff's in every one of the counties that were declared a gun sanctuary county. Non-violent civil disobedience is the next step & every county should send the FU message to Richmond. Patriots in every other state should follow suit. Our elected representatives need to re-learn that they work for us, not the other way around.
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