Old 12-19-2013, 14:01   #16
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Great idea.....not! Those who have been in SF more than a few years will remember the annual "certification" or "validation" mandated by SF Command back in the late 80s / early 90s.

Real fun that was.
You didn't enjoy the completely meaningless 22 milers?

I think where SF got screwed was when they made it a CMF and the West Pointers started experimenting with training recipes.

IMA got screwed over, too.

(Not trying to start a heated debate, here; just my opinion. No need to put me on hiatus from future filming.
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Old 05-07-2016, 21:42   #17
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I recall IUW being mostly hazing, PT, land nav (although different than Hoffman it is more difficult in it's own way), and grandiose speeches by the less professional members of the SFQC cadre. No issue with the gut check, land nav, gates, or PT of course. As stated it has been awhile from selection to Q Course for some of the students and it weeds out some weak or faint hearted.

However, the attitude and actions of that particular group of cadre has left a sore mark with me to this day. We must endeavor as a regiment to present ourselves as quiet professionals to everyone, including our students / future team mates.

I do hope that has changed as it is true first impression of the SF Soldier for many of the students.
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:57   #18
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When we swam I'm pretty sure we did it with LBE and rubber weapons too.

Those 7 pullups have to go along with the rope climb or no women are going to make it........
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All this crap about "Nutrition". How about one maybe two C-Rations a day for 4 weeks? Sometimes if you fxxked up, your TAC would give you the wrong coordinates to find your next meal? How about cooking a goat so old, after 8 hours of cooking, it was like eating a boot? Nutrition? Never heard of it.
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After being a point sitter for the IUW land navigation detail I can attest to "Didn't train hard enough, ran out of gas on hour eight of the land navigation course." Around hour seven or eight students would come by my point moving like snails, nothing left, no fight left in them. On the truck ride back to camp a couple of guys stated that they just gave up.
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All this crap about "Nutrition". How about one maybe two C-Rations a day for 4 weeks? Sometimes if you fxxked up, your TAC would give you the wrong coordinates to find your next meal? How about cooking a goat so old, after 8 hours of cooking, it was like eating a boot? Nutrition? Never heard of it.
Phase I in '69. Hey, you forgot about the chickens quick-cooked under a #10 can. The goat "jerky" was a hoot!
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Old 05-09-2017, 14:02   #22
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After being a point sitter for the IUW land navigation detail I can attest to "Didn't train hard enough, ran out of gas on hour eight of the land navigation course." Around hour seven or eight students would come by my point moving like snails, nothing left, no fight left in them. On the truck ride back to camp a couple of guys stated that they just gave up.
We had a guy do night land Nav, come walking in in daylight to our formation, day land nav. He comes in and tells the cadre that he was "forced up a tree by wild dogs and could not move all night". Cadre asked if he was OK, he said "Yes". The cadre then handed him his next nav points, he quit on the spot.

Made us all smile, well, what was left of us.......
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"THE WILD DOG'S of CAMP MacKALL"

WHAT DID HE EXPECT ? A FREE PASS OR A TIME OUT???? HOW DID HE GET THAT FAR IN THE ARMY WITH HIS MENTAL Thought Process???? Tom Kelly
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The Wild Dogs of Camp Mackall

Actually, the dogs of the Hoffman triangle.

When I was out there, the cadre told us that we were forbidden to use our star clusters as anti-dog missiles. I don't know whether it's true or not, but we were told that a student had gotten treed to the northwest of Bones Fork (he had crossed into the pasture there) and had used his star cluster to shoot the dog. They thought that was a bad idea. Of course, they also told us that there was a draw monster out there and that the prison was a girl's reform school, so . . .
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You didn't enjoy the completely meaningless 22 milers?

I think where SF got screwed was when they made it a CMF and the West Pointers started experimenting with training recipes.

IMA got screwed over, too.

(Not trying to start a heated debate, here; just my opinion. No need to put me on hiatus from future filming.
It really got screwed when the SWEG started influencing the training with a bunch a starry Phd eyed psychs and etc.....trying to educate the school on the proper way to train warriors.......
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Old 07-03-2017, 07:31   #26
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When someone is doing research about training for selection or the qualification course it should only take them about five seconds to realize how important being able to ruck is. However, I am here to tell you that on Friday during the 12 mile ruck march for IUW we lost around 90 people or half of our class. The sad part is that everything was in our favor it was 72 degrees, the cadre gave us plenty of time off the day prior, the route wasn't terrible, and we had ice buckets every mile. My take away from the ruck is this - you have to be able to WALK, the majority of people can not maintain running for 12 miles strait especially when you throw in hills and deep sand. I jogged for about only two miles the rest I stepped out with a purpose. I came in at 2:50:51, the average time for the class was around 2:40-2:50.
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I just completed the SFOC land navigation test and scored 5/5 on the first day. These are my top tips for people preparing to come to the course. These tips based off of going through class during the summer months.

1. Practice land navigation before you start the course, just because you went 8/8 at Hoffman doesn’t mean you’re a land navigation expert. Hoffman is junior varsity level, the NTA is college level. When testing do what you know, test day is not the day to try a new technique out that you overheard a recycle talking about. There’s a reason he’s a recycle.
2. Do not be afraid to bust a draw, just know how to read contour lines.
3. Protect your inner thighs and skin with some kind of protectant. After testing everyone was chafed and burnt to a crisp.
4. If you become lost go back to a known location and start over. In the long run it will save you time.
5. Always have a route plan written down before stepping off.
6. Only trust well-defined roads on the NTA.
7. Looking for a chemlight is easier than looking for a camouflaged tent.
8. Do not use a precut protractor and after plotting your points check them at least 3 times.
9. Make sure that the point sitters fill out your score card properly before you head to your next point!
10. If you see a happy stake, go to it and verify your location.
11. Hand railing a road is a very fast way to get somewhere. Just make sure your 50 meters away from it.

Do whatever it takes to get 5 points on the first day. If you get 5 points on the first day you are a go. If you do not get 5 points on the first day then you have to go out on a second day and find 7 points total. After spending a whole day running up and down the map, I cannot image having to go out a second day. It pays to be a winner.

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