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Old 12-04-2019, 08:27   #16
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That speech was right after Stalin's death. It may have been meant as a message for the Soviet Union as much as the US.

But to the sentiment of the speech, there has to be balance. You need both the sword and the plow.

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Here is Ike’s chance for peace speech, circa 1953:

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.“
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:58   #17
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That speech was right after Stalin's death. It may have been meant as a message for the Soviet Union as much as the US.

But to the sentiment of the speech, there has to be balance. You need both the sword and the plow.
Completely agree and Ike certainly understood that... well put!
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Old 12-04-2019, 17:16   #18
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As a man responsible for the continuation and preservation of the thoughts and ideals of the founders.... Freedom Fighters.

For others it would depend upon if they sit in a position of power a position of subservience or are a victim or tyranny.

I'm on a roll this morning after doing some light reading on the Electoral College. We as a country continue to stray so far...

I find it rather ironic that the impeachment report from the Congress Critters actually quotes this very speech as part of their justification for impeachment. From the preface immediately after they thank everyone:

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In his farewell address, President George Washington warned of a moment when “cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

The Framers of the Constitution well understood that an individual could one day occupy the Office of the President who would place his personal or political interests above those of the nation. Having just won hard-fought independence from a King with unbridled authority, they were attuned to the dangers of an executive who lacked fealty to the law and the Constitution.

In response, the Framers adopted a tool used by the British Parliament for several hundred years to constrain the Crown—the power of impeachment. Unlike in Britain, where impeachment was typically reserved for inferior officers but not the King himself, impeachment in our untested democracy was specifically intended to serve as the ultimate form of accountability for a duly-elected President. Rather than a mechanism to overturn an election, impeachment was explicitly contemplated as a remedy of last resort for a president who fails to faithfully execute his oath of office “to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
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Old 12-04-2019, 21:24   #19
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I find it rather ironic that the impeachment report from the Congress Critters actually quotes this very speech as part of their justification for impeachment.
That words you quoted from their preface, to be used by them, is a vile potion indeed. Codifying the lie.
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Old 12-05-2019, 06:18   #20
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I find it rather ironic that the impeachment report from the Congress Critters actually quotes this very speech as part of their justification for impeachment. From the preface immediately after they thank everyone:



https://intelligence.house.gov/report/
They have met the enemy.....and it is THEM

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I find it rather ironic that the impeachment report from the Congress Critters actually quotes this very speech as part of their justification for impeachment. From the preface immediately after they thank everyone:



https://intelligence.house.gov/report/
I’ll offer up another quote from George Washington, one which they obviously missed.

For heaven’s sake, who are Congress? Are they not the creatures of the people, amenable to them for their conduct and dependent from day to day on their breath?
Letter to William Gordon July 8th 1783


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