Old 02-06-2004, 19:26   #31
Desert Fox
Guerrilla
 
Desert Fox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New Brunswick Canada
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally posted by AProfSoldier
Very good and very close, but if I recall , it's closer to 5x the distance between the stars.

The Team Sergeant
Hi Sergeant,

Yes 5x including the distance between the 2 stars...

http://www.excaliburelectronics.com/.../BigLittle.jpg
__________________
True fitness is task-oriented.

Last edited by Desert Fox; 02-06-2004 at 19:35.
Desert Fox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2004, 19:44   #32
Roguish Lawyer
Consigliere
 
Roguish Lawyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 8,531
Quote:
Originally posted by AProfSoldier
Where did you find this tibit? Madonna's website?

It's the Big Dipper and that's not where it's located!

Anyone? Where and how do you find the North Star?

{little dipper.....@#$!#$$#%$!#}
http://www.wildernessmanuals.com/manual_1/chpt_8/6.html

Garbage in, garbage out! LOL
Roguish Lawyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2004, 19:59   #33
Team Sergeant
Quiet Professional
 
Team Sergeant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 20,927
Quote:
Originally posted by Desert Fox
Hi Sergeant,

Yes 5x including the distance between the 2 stars...

http://www.excaliburelectronics.com/.../BigLittle.jpg
You had doubts?

The Team Sergeant

(Again, forget "that other guy" on here I think he's a PETA agent.)
__________________
"The Spartans do not ask how many are the enemy, but where they are."
Team Sergeant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2004, 20:01   #34
Roguish Lawyer
Consigliere
 
Roguish Lawyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 8,531
Quote:
Originally posted by AProfSoldier
(Again, forget "that other guy" on here I think he's a PETA agent.)
That's low. LOL
Roguish Lawyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2004, 20:23   #35
Team Sergeant
Quiet Professional
 
Team Sergeant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 20,927
Quote:
Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
You look up in the sky.

It's the last one on the handle of the little dipper. If I recall, it's very bright relative to the others.
Polaris aka the North Star is actually at the end of the handle of Ursa Minor, I mis-read your post, thinking you were speaking of the Big Dipper.

If one travels out side and views the Big Dipper and locates Polaris you will not usually see the "Little Dipper" in it’s entirety as it is hard to discern for the background stars. As a night star Polaris is bright as compared to the other stars making up the “Little Dipper” but Dim as to the stars making up the “Big Dipper.”
__________________
"The Spartans do not ask how many are the enemy, but where they are."
Team Sergeant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2004, 22:11   #36
Razor
Quiet Professional
 
Razor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 4,360
IIRC, you can use the moon to find south from when its a thin crescent to shortly before it becomes half-full. Connect the two 'points' with a straight line on the concurve side of the crescent, then continue that line down to the horizon. That's a very rough measurement, but it gets you in the ballpark.

If you have a hard time finding Ursa Major (the Big Dipper), try locating Casseopia, which looks like a skewed 'W'. From the 'points' on the W, track west and you should bump into Ursa Major.
Razor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2004, 18:21   #37
Valhal
Auxiliary
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 89
Pace count

Can you give some examples of how you use pace count for land nav.

On a flat paved marked greenbelt I count about 900 paces to a mile, that's wearing a 40lbs weighted vest and 5lbs ankle weights doing a little over 15 minute a mile tempo.

What should I expect in the rough terrain of the foot hills?

Thanks,
Mark
Valhal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2004, 18:54   #38
Desert Fox
Guerrilla
 
Desert Fox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New Brunswick Canada
Posts: 181
Re: Pace count

Quote:
Originally posted by Valhal
Can you give some examples of how you use pace count for land nav.

On a flat paved marked greenbelt I count about 900 paces to a mile, that's wearing a 40lbs weighted vest and 5lbs ankle weights doing a little over 15 minute a mile tempo.

What should I expect in the rough terrain of the foot hills?

Thanks,
Mark
Hi,

I count approx 115 pairs (easier to count 2 paces than each) for 100m of forest.Thats because I avoid obstacles.On a road I do approx half less paces.But this is for me, for you it will changes.So you have to try.Very easy to found your paces with a GPS.
I use a little rope and I attach it to a button hole.Every 100m I add a node.
__________________
True fitness is task-oriented.
Desert Fox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2004, 19:10   #39
Team Sergeant
Quiet Professional
 
Team Sergeant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 20,927
Re: Pace count

Quote:
Originally posted by Valhal
Can you give some examples of how you use pace count for land nav.

On a flat paved marked greenbelt I count about 900 paces to a mile, that's wearing a 40lbs weighted vest and 5lbs ankle weights doing a little over 15 minute a mile tempo.

What should I expect in the rough terrain of the foot hills?

Thanks,
Mark
See me in the pace count thread....
Team Sergeant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2009, 16:36   #40
archade
Asset
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: south west of France
Posts: 23
Dear QPs,

There is another mean to find the north with stars. It doesn't work all night long. It depends on where you are on earth.

This is the Orion's constallation ( The Hunter)

For those who don't know this method would you mind to follow those instruction please?

Firstly open 400px...image. This is the constellation. You could noticed tree stars in a raw on the middle of The Hunter.

Secondly open step 1 image. On those tree stars we can put an arrow (feel free to change the color ) this red arrow is near to indicate North.

Thirdly open step 2 image. On this one we can add another arrow. This blue arrow is near to indicate North too.

finally open step 3 image. Between both arrows we can add this white arrow who indicate surely North.

Unless you need a very accurate angle of walking, the red arrow is enough keep your walk / drive northward.

Sorry for the english

Archade's €.02
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 400px-Orion_3008_huge.jpg (97.0 KB, 55 views)
File Type: jpg step 1.jpg (50.9 KB, 50 views)
File Type: jpg step 2.jpg (50.8 KB, 46 views)
File Type: jpg step 3.jpg (49.9 KB, 49 views)
__________________
Le Capitaine MARCHAND (1863-1934): "Il n'y a que chez nous que l'ordre de faire beaucoup avec rien peut être donné sans rire"

"We are the only country the order to make alot with nothing can be given without laughing "
archade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2009, 15:12   #41
Diablo Blanco
Asset
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 44
Using the Southern Cross at Night

Crux - also known as the Southern Cross - has FIVE stars (not four like the false cross).

Take the distance between the two furthest stars/tips (the only two that are not blue-white stars) and multiply by 4.5 times the distance to an imaginary point. There is no visible star for South, just an imaginary point.
Diablo Blanco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2009, 13:25   #42
BrerRabbit
Asset
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Southwest
Posts: 5
How does one find north without aid of a compass? Handheld GPS with lots of backup batteries, or always carry FM 21-76 with you.

Survive in -60 degree weather? Hope your hands are still warm enough to turn to the correct section in FM 21-76.

Start a fire with no matches? Peel plastic away from negative end of one of the backup batteries, take a staple out of FM 21-76, bend into a 'U' shape and place between paper insulator on negative side where you removed plastic. DO NOT let other end of staple touch the exposed negative side. Tear less important pages from FM 21-76, and use as tinder. Start fire by pressing negative side of battery down on tinder.

Snare a rabbit? FM 21-76

Build a poncho raft? Bush, Australian or Donut? FM 21-76

Procure water in a survival situation? FM 21-76
__________________
Ps 91:5-8 "You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked."
BrerRabbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2009, 17:35   #43
Go Devil
Guerrilla Chief
 
Go Devil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Near Water
Posts: 552
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrerRabbit View Post
How does one find north without aid of a compass? Handheld GPS with lots of backup batteries, or always carry FM 21-76 with you.

Survive in -60 degree weather? Hope your hands are still warm enough to turn to the correct section in FM 21-76.

Start a fire with no matches? Peel plastic away from negative end of one of the backup batteries, take a staple out of FM 21-76, bend into a 'U' shape and place between paper insulator on negative side where you removed plastic. DO NOT let other end of staple touch the exposed negative side. Tear less important pages from FM 21-76, and use as tinder. Start fire by pressing negative side of battery down on tinder.

Snare a rabbit? FM 21-76

Build a poncho raft? Bush, Australian or Donut? FM 21-76

Procure water in a survival situation? FM 21-76
You’ve submitted a nursery rhyme for post graduate study?
__________________
Keep a forward momentum.

Last edited by Go Devil; 12-16-2009 at 17:37.
Go Devil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2009, 19:40   #44
BrerRabbit
Asset
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Southwest
Posts: 5
Oh well...



"Nothing is more discouraging than unappreciated sarcasm."
__________________
Ps 91:5-8 "You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked."
BrerRabbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2009, 19:49   #45
Blitzzz (RIP)
Quiet Professional
 
Blitzzz (RIP)'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Nashville
Posts: 956
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valhal View Post
Can you give some examples of how you use pace count for land nav.

On a flat paved marked greenbelt I count about 900 paces to a mile, that's wearing a 40lbs weighted vest and 5lbs ankle weights doing a little over 15 minute a mile tempo.

What should I expect in the rough terrain of the foot hills?

Thanks,
Mark
Just curious Valhal,Your pace length with ruck would have to be around 6 foot 5 inches long. More like running. a normal "pace is around 39 to 40 inches making 900 of those around 2,880 feet a mile is 5,280 if I remember.
__________________
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Blitzzz (RIP) is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Beret Expert - AM, Take your blood pressure Meds Before Reading NousDefionsDoc Base Camp 53 08-19-2004 10:11



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 15:35.



Copyright 2004-2019 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies