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Old 10-01-2009, 09:00   #16
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I want to see the Australian peel with one person.
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I want to see a guy patrolling with a Bangalore.

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Chuck Norris can do both.
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:06   #17
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How about the flying 'W' for breaking out of encirclement...like to see Chuck do that alone
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Old 10-01-2009, 18:06   #18
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How about the flying 'W' for breaking out of encirclement...like to see Chuck do that alone
If they even could encircle Chuck Norris he would have them right where he wanted them, and they would have to try an Australian in a vain effort to break contact with him.
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Old 10-01-2009, 19:15   #19
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I spend a lot of time hiking and camping in the woods here in the Northwest. And of course, I encounter a lot of odd folks in these woods. I can count a dozen encounters off the top of my head that range from weird hermits to SHTF.

Aside from taking advantage of terrain, topography, and building bark/rock heat (and light) shields, are there any other techniques for reducing camp fire visual signatures, especially at night, both nearby and from afar?

Fires are nice, but they tend to attract attention, and you're usually close enough that it destroys your night vision and you can't see folks coming til they're practically on-site.

Ideas, thought, suggestions, corrective actions?
I like the Swedish survival fire.
three poles about 4 foot long,laced together with what ever wire you can get like barbed or other
Have the insides of each "shaved ' bury them standing about 1 foot in the ground ( leaves abut 3 feet above the ground.
Start the fire at the inside base of the poles
the fire burns up the middle with minimal flame showing and good intense heat at the top to cook on.
the raising flames reburn the smoke and this fire is nearly smokeless. And difficult to see from the sides.
asthe fire burns you will have to tighten the wires to keep the fire inclosed and burning the best heat. Practice this one in a back yard to get an idea of pole sizes about 3 or 4 inch dia.
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Old 10-01-2009, 20:15   #20
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I spend a lot of time hiking and camping in the woods here in the Northwest. And of course, I encounter a lot of odd folks in these woods. I can count a dozen encounters off the top of my head that range from weird hermits to SHTF.

Aside from taking advantage of terrain, topography, and building bark/rock heat (and light) shields, are there any other techniques for reducing camp fire visual signatures, especially at night, both nearby and from afar?

Fires are nice, but they tend to attract attention, and you're usually close enough that it destroys your night vision and you can't see folks coming til they're practically on-site.

Ideas, thought, suggestions, corrective actions?
You live in the Pacific Northwest, I lived and hiked there also. Anything you build will leave a lingering smoke scent in that temperate forest. You're lucky to find dry wood in the first place.

My attempt at humor failed, bottom line if you don't want company don't build a wood fire, period. That's what combat arms folks do, we don't build fires.Fortunately most of the individuals we're looking for do.

Expect the unexpected and learn to deal with it when it comes. Otherwise stay out of the forest at night.
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Old 10-03-2009, 16:09   #21
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I just sprayed soda out of my nose reading that!
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Old 10-03-2009, 20:08   #22
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Couldn't resist could you. i thought for sure you'd be the naked drunk guy dancing around fire...
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Old 10-04-2009, 21:00   #23
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LNT Fire

This isn't a way to reduce your visual signature at night but this is a way to reduce your impact and any trace that you had been camping in a particular spot. Of course, fires are almost entirely unnecessary with all the fancy gear available today and should only be used when absolutely necessary but that doesn't change that genetic fascination and obsession with fire that we all have inside us.

I teach LNT (Leave No Trace) to the guides for a college outdoor program and we teach what we call an "LNT Fire".

Start with a plastic trash bag, lay it down flat on the ground. Then collect mineral soil or creek/river bed rocky soil. Mineral soil is the lower layer of soil below the leafy organic decomposition. When digging, you will find that the soil will change consistency and sometimes color when you hit the mineral level. Watch out for river rocks getting directly in your fire, trapped moisture can cause them to explode on you(unless you like that sort of thing). Spread the mineral soil around the plastic and form it into a kind of volcano shape with a base thickness of about 2" or more and raised edges. If it is too thin, the fire will melt through the plastic. I try to cover all plastic even on the edges outside of the main bowl simply to avoid getting melted plastic gook all over the rocks and soil (Not very LNT).

With this base, build your fire within the bowl of this structure. When you are finished (let all sticks burn to coals and ash), you can broadcast the ashes out over a large enough area as to be unnoticeable. The ashes will be washed away in the next rain and will actually contribute to the soil quality in the area. Put the mineral soil back where you found it. Pack up the trash bag and take it out with you.

You will be amazed to find that any vegetation underneath will still be green and alive!


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Old 10-04-2009, 21:21   #24
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Start with a plastic trash bag, lay it down flat on the ground.
I suppose you could do the same with some heavy aluminum foil (or even standard weight) and not have to worry about the plastic melting. Of course standard sized foil at the grocery store won't work but industrial size sheet could. PLUS you would have something you could use for other purposes as well.

I like that idea mountainman, thanks.
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I want to see the Australian peel with one person.
I snorted coffee out my nose trying to picture that....whats worse is that I began brainstorming how to do it in my head once the thought sunk in....
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You live in the Pacific Northwest, I lived and hiked there also. Anything you build will leave a lingering smoke scent in that temperate forest. You're lucky to find dry wood in the first place.

My attempt at humor failed, bottom line if you don't want company don't build a wood fire, period. That's what combat arms folks do, we don't build fires.Fortunately most of the individuals we're looking for do.

Expect the unexpected and learn to deal with it when it comes. Otherwise stay out of the forest at night.
I read you.

The forests are full of meth heads, crack zombies, and other assorted oddities in these parts.
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LOL...a one man Australian peel

Damn adal one could get pretty dizzy trying that one...
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:25   #28
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About survival/camp fires

This may be the wrong thread,but I was helping my son move some of his stuff (Don't Ask).inito my shed and one piece i saw made me think it should be a no brainer for survival carry. It's the wielders flint fire starter.(I don't know it's name). Spring handle attached to a metal cup with a flint holder and striker . always makes a good spark, and the cup will hold tinder. Just a thought.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:57   #29
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For the weight and bulk of one of those flint strikers, carry a Bic lighter. Works almost every time and will start way more fires than you should need in any given survival situation.
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Yes, but...

The BIC will run out of fuel. The Flint striker just needs a few flints. It is easier to make fire with a BIC but on a pure survival situation I like to create a spark... and hope every thing is dry. LOL.
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