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Old 12-15-2019, 09:58   #31
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I would think someone in Virginia along with the NRA would file suit about a Second Amendment violation. Also, this is exactly why the framers of the Constitution added the Second Amendment... Does everyone now understand how important it was electing President Trump?
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Old 12-15-2019, 10:13   #32
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Maybe bureaucrats want to avoid it, but if that were the case then why pick a fight and put yourself in the position for a confrontation. Like many incidents over the past several years you have a some persons (bureaucrats, activists and media) who are more than willing to tip it over the edge or allow things to get out of hand.

Who's agenda Ralph Northam continuing ? Hmmmm....Terry McAuliffe of Charlottesville fame.

https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/charlottesville-review-faulty-planning-passive-police-led-to-disastrous-results/article_90234a84-9cc2-59f4-bb6f-9dfb158cf154.html"]Charlottesville review: Faulty planning, passive police led to 'disastrous results' at Aug. 12 rally[/URL]

Faulty planning, passive Police.........that's like Mike Horowitz being unable to find intent.
Bad link Pas. Try this:
https://www.richmond.com/news/virgin...b158cf154.html
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Old 12-15-2019, 13:26   #33
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Old 12-15-2019, 17:39   #34
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Who's agenda Ralph Northam continuing ?
The DNC and Michael "Just a Regular Guy Now Named 'Mike'" Bloomberg laid out a metric shit-ton of bak-sheesh to turn that state blue. Neither organism does that because of their charitable nature.
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Old 12-15-2019, 20:19   #35
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Old 12-16-2019, 13:58   #36
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His comments about what would happen to property and families of National Guard members who complied with orders is what has been kicking around in my mind for some time.

It's happened during the Revolution and Civil War. Tar, meet feathers.

I've seen versions done locally; no violence or property damage. But two individuals opposing a popular measure, and who had local businesses saw business collapse.

7200 National Guard isn't enough to hold down all of Virginia
Nor is 7200 NG enough to hold down the volunteers who would most likely be streaming into the state to stand with the Virginians.
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Old 12-16-2019, 17:38   #37
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The Racist Roots of Gun Control

A interesting argument that would turn the conversation on the confiscation.

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

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Old 12-16-2019, 17:54   #38
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The Virginia State Capitol was the Capitol of the Confederate States of America in the 1st American Civil War. I guess they're eager for a rematch.
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Old 12-16-2019, 18:18   #39
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I was thinking that both sides would be responsible and it would make what happened in Charlottesville seem like a child’s tantrum.

If the Dims want it, let it begin!

Those who studied “alternative history” from “alternative professors” are surly bound to make new mistakes previously used as examples not to be repeated.
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Old 12-16-2019, 18:34   #40
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A rock solid argument for the 2nd Amendment.


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"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -- George Orwell1
Let’s start with this: The citizen’s right to possess firearms is a fundamental political right. The political principle at stake is quite simple: to deny the state the monopoly of armed force. This should perhaps be stated in the obverse: to empower the citizenry, to distribute the power of armed force among the citizenry as a whole. The history of arguments and struggles over this principle, throughout the world, is long and clear. Instituted in the context of a revolutionary struggle based on the most democratic concepts of its day, the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution is perhaps the clearest legal/constitutional expression of this principle, and as such, I think, is one of the most radical statutes in the world.

The question of gun rights is a political question, in the broad sense that it touches on the distribution of power in a polity. Thus, although it incorporates all these perfectly legitimate “sub-political” activities, it is not fundamentally about hunting, or collecting, or target practice; it is about empowering the citizen relative to the state. Denying the importance of, or even refusing to understand, this fundamental point of the Second Amendment right, and sneering at people who do, symptomizes a politics of paternalist statism – not (actually the opposite of) a politics of revolutionary liberation.

I’ll pause right here. For me, and for most supporters of gun rights, however inartfully they may put it, this is the core issue. To have an honest discussion of what’s at stake when we talk about “gun rights,” “gun control,” etc., everyone has to know, and acknowledge, his/her position on this fundamental political principle. Do you hold that the right to possess firearms is a fundamental political right?

If you do, then you are ascribing it a strong positive value, you will be predisposed to favor its extension to all citizens, you will consider whatever “regulations” you think are necessary (because some might be) with the greatest circumspection (because those “regulations” are limitations on a right, and rights, though never as absolute as we may like, are to be cherished), you will never seek, overtly or surreptitiously, to eliminate that right entirely – and your discourse will reflect all of that. If you understand gun ownership as a political right, then, for you, if there weren’t a second amendment, there should be.

If, on the other hand, you do not hold that the right to possess firearms is a fundamental political right, if you think it is some kind of luxury or peculiarity or special prerogative, then, of course, you really won’t give a damn about how restricted that non-right is, or whether it is ignored or eliminated altogether. If you reject, or don’t understand, gun ownership as a political right, then you probably think the Second Amendment should never have been.


It is my perception, based on public evidence, as well as countless conversations on the subject, that the latter position is that of most self-identified American liberals. However they may occasionally, tactically, craft their discourse to pretend, for an audience that does value the right of citizens to arm themselves, that they too value that right, most American liberals just do not. They do not even understand why it should be considered a right at all, in the sense elaborated above. They would love to restrict it as much as possible, and they would just as soon be done with the American constitutional guarantee of that right, the Second Amendment, which they see as some kind of embarrassing anachronism.

I think we should have this discussion honestly. If the latter is your position, say it. If you want to eliminate the Second Amendment right, mount a forthright political campaign to do so. Do not pussy-foot around with “I am not against the Second Amendment. I do not want to take your hunting rifles and your shotguns, and your antique muskets,” when you really don’t like the Second Amendment at all, would love to see it repealed, and wouldn’t mind if everybody was forced to turn in every weapon that they owned.

‘Cause, guess what: You’re not fooling anybody. When your discourse reeks with intellectual and moral disdain for gun-rights and gun-rights advocates, when it never endorses, and indeed at best studiously avoids, the issue of gun ownership as a fundamental political right, it shows. And it certainly shows when you say outright that you’d love to confiscate all guns, no matter how you try to waffle on that later. Despite what’s implied in the ever-present disdain, gun rights advocates are not, ipso facto, stupid (or violent, or crazy), and certainly not too stupid to see where you’re heading. So let’s stop gaslighting gun-rights supporters as paranoid when they state what they see:

- See more at: http://www.thepolemicist.net/2013/01....u8JDygRQ.dpuf
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Old 12-16-2019, 21:14   #41
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^^Good read Penn.

Statists and communists all know this...deep down they...the folks who would cram their political agenda down everyone’s throat if they could...know this...

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
~Mao Zedong

...therefore in their perfect world ONLY the state shall be armed.

Well, fu&k that. We are Americans. We are a unique political experiment. The people shall be armed.

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Old 12-17-2019, 08:24   #42
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Tazewell County forms Militia

It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...tutional-laws/
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Old 12-17-2019, 11:40   #43
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It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...tutional-laws/
Essentially, they (anti gun crowd) want to "infringe" the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms but they don't want a militia to be "well regulated ".
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Old 12-18-2019, 12:52   #44
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My right to possess and use modern weaponry for self defense of myself, my family and my property is not a political right, it is a basic human right.

Politicians, communists (am I repeating myself?), media members and academics do not get to decide if I am entitled to basic human rights.

Leave me alone, I'll leave you alone.
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Old 12-18-2019, 14:36   #45
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It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...tutional-laws/
In the past these type of groups have drawn a long host of sketchy individuals and group such as July4Patriot aka Charles Dyer, The Hutaree and many others. So is forming Militias a good move, or does it provide an easy target for the various agencies and media? I seem to recall some very capable and knowledgeable individuals who were of the mind that hiding in plain sight and the Lone Wolf was much more difficult to reign in than organized groups.
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