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Old 10-15-2018, 17:45   #1
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Army spouse arrested in shooting death of Fort Campbell Soldier

I don't know if any of you keep up with the Army Times or Stars and Stripes, but this is becoming a fairly common occurrence.


An Army spouse was in custody Sunday following the death of a Fort Campbell, Kentucky, Soldier by gunshot wound, according to a Monday news release. The post locked down all gates just before 10 p.m. Sunday after a shooting in a housing area, the release said. “Our hearts and prayers are with the families involved,” BG Todd Royar, the acting senior commander of Fort Campbell and the 101st Airborne Division, said in a statement. “Any loss of a Soldier has a profound impact on the entire Army family.” No one was allowed in or out of the post’s gates for an hour Sunday night, according to a post on Fort Campell’s Facebook page. “Our priority remains the safety and security of our Soldiers, their family members and our civilian personnel,” Royar said. The names of the victim and alleged perpetrator are being withheld pending next-of-kin notification, the release said. Policy dictates waiting 24 hours after notification to release identities. The incident is under investigation by both Army Criminal Investigation Command and the FBI, the release said.

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Shooting on Post???
Old 10-16-2018, 15:16   #2
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Shooting on Post???

I did not know that residents of the housing area on post were permitted to keep firearms in the home? Does anyone know what the policy is for the Army Re: Possession of a firearm on a military post???? tom kelly
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Old 10-16-2018, 16:04   #3
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I did not know that residents of the housing area on post were permitted to keep firearms in the home? Does anyone know what the policy is for the Army Re: Possession of a firearm on a military post???? tom kelly
Installation Commanders and Provost Marshall have discretion is my experience.
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Old 10-16-2018, 21:41   #4
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I did not know that residents of the housing area on post were permitted to keep firearms in the home? Does anyone know what the policy is for the Army Re: Possession of a firearm on a military post???? tom kelly
It's not a big deal at all and easy to do on most Army or Air Force bases these days. Process is covered in detail by published post regulations available to all assigned. Don't know for sure about USN/USMC, but I'd assume pretty similar regulations and procedures. For married or bachelor housing, you can live with your weapons.

For junior troops residing in the barracks, things remain as they've always been. Stored in unit arms rooms w/ troops retaining weapons cards to draw out for personal use (range, hunting trips, maintenance, etc.).

Firearms kept in base housing must be registered at Provost Marshal Registration Office (same place you register vehicles). Weapons must be accompanied by paper registration sheets/cards when transporting between quarters and anywhere else on base. Same paperwork (kept in locked case with weapon) must be shown on demand when returning through base entry gates (if randomly queried by base police or MPs). No CCW or Open carry on post (except for designated hunting areas and certain ranges). Otherwise, weapons must be unloaded and in locked cases (separate from any ammo) while transported anywhere on post. No weapons may enter through main gates from off-post without being registered. Exceptions are newly purchased firearms. Either newly purchased off-post or newly purchased at on-base PX (or Rod & Gun Club). Then you have something like 24-48 hours to get the new weapon registered (or on next open Registration Office day if a weekend or holiday purchase). If you get cursory vehicle searched entering post and a weapon is properly registered, unloaded in a locking case, & ammo is separate... GTG. If not... potential federal felony & UCMJ.

Post Commanders have discretion to modify the rules, but in general, most bases utilize the same procedures. IIRC, what you do storage-wise with your firearms inside of your on-post quarters is up to you. In other words, you can keep loaded weapons for home defense. Naturally, you are required to keep them out of the hands of anyone not supposed to have access without your supervision... like household visitors or kids. I'm not completely sure on the storage thing anymore. I kept a household ready gun loaded... and was within post regs allowing me to do so.

Again, this is for permanent party people assigned quarters... not troop or TDY barracks space.

Done it as described while living on-base through late 2000s. Incidentally, those registrations are computerized and now transfer/show up at any other base you PCS to. At least CONUS ones.

Most large Army & USAF bases these days have pretty decent gun sales counters located inside of the AAFES main PX/BX. Lots of firearms, ammo, hunting accessories, optics, holsters, and CCW/tactical gear for sale. All of it sold tax-free. Meaning that out-the-door prices are pretty low. More bases today have POW ranges for public use (including some offering use to local civilian shooters). The military has gotten a lot more personal firearm friendly in recent years.

During the late '90s, several base commanders notoriously attempted to force their generally liberal elitist ( read anti-2A) views on all assigned troops. You know the type. They ordered folks living off-post to register all weapons. Even if stored at off post privately owned/rented domiciles or off-post storage units. Or if owned by non-military family members. This got heatedly challenged on constitutional grounds. Complaints to Representatives and Senators. An unusually angry Congress passed a law specifically forbidding military commanders (all services) from exercising such prescriptive authority outside of the confines of federal installations. Some generals & colonels got spanked from on high. DoD got the message and started going a lot more user friendly with military gun owners.

The CONUS policy today is that firearms fall under post regulations while on-base... and under State or Territory resident firearms laws once outside of federal installation gates.

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Firearms on Military Bases.
Old 10-17-2018, 15:16   #5
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Thank You for the information. tom kelly
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Old 10-17-2018, 21:04   #6
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"The Army on Tuesday released the name of the soldier killed last weekend in an off-duty shooting incident on Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

Sgt. Brittney Niecol Silvers, of Jacksonville, Florida, died about 10 p.m. Sunday.

Silvers' estranged husband, Victor Silvers, was arrested and is due in court on Thursday to face murder, domestic violence and other charges, the Associated Press reported on Wednesday.

A domestic violence protective order forbade Silvers from possessing a firearm and required that he stay at least 300 feet away from his wife."
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Old 10-18-2018, 13:13   #7
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The Army on Tuesday released the name of the soldier killed last weekend in an off-duty shooting incident on Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

Sgt. Brittney Niecol Silvers, of Jacksonville, Florida, died about 10 p.m. Sunday.

Silvers' estranged husband, Victor Silvers, was arrested and is due in court on Thursday to face murder, domestic violence and other charges, the Associated Press reported on Wednesday.

A domestic violence protective order forbade Silvers from possessing a firearm and required that he stay at least 300 feet away from his wife.
Meanwhile, the law abiding, order obeying Army Sgt. is dead because her only defense was a protective order ignored by a criminal.

Rest in peace Sgt. It's a damn shame you weren't allowed the tool necessary in your base home to protect your life.
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Old 10-18-2018, 15:33   #8
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Bubblehead - actually they ARE (sort of) allowed weapons. A few years ago, SECDEF authorized Commanders to approve concealed carry on their installations. The services are slow-rolling it and pretending that this authorization doesn't exist. They are officially awaiting "implementation guidance" of which the services have no intention of supplying.

I am at JBSA-Fort Sam Houston. This is now "officially" an Air Force Installation under the Joint-Basing construct. The last Base Commander, an Air Force female one-star, was quoted that "she'll approve concealed carry over her dead body." The irony of that statement was apparently lost on her.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see anything changing what with the risk-averse princes we have in command these days in the Army. They are simply not "gun guys" nor are they big on troops having the right to defend themselves.

I have resting on the desk in front of me a policy from Offut AFB wherein the Commander allows "holders of Nebraska concealed handgun license or reciprocating state concealed carry license equivalents are authorized to transport and secure privately owned handguns in privately owned vehicles within the legal boundary of OAFB."

Hey - at least it's a start.... maybe the Air Force will lead the way...?
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Old 10-18-2018, 19:21   #9
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Meanwhile, the law abiding, order obeying Army Sgt. is dead because her only defense was a protective order ignored by a criminal.
There's so much detail lacking in that news release that any speculation is just wild ass guessing.

Was she in fact armed? Or unarmed? Did anyone or any regulation prevent her from being armed?
Did hubby live on base (with her)? If not, how recently separated?
Did the event happen at their on-base quarters? Or somewhere else?
Was HE the authorized quarters dweller... with her moved to the barracks by CoC?
If she had a restraining order, why was he still allowed on post?
Did she abrogate the restraining order by agreeing to meet or speak with him?
Alcohol or drugs involved?
Cheating or jealousy driving the emotional train?
Whose gun?
Prior incident history of both parties?
Child custody involved?
Police called by victim?

Obviously, she wound up dead and he arrested. But it's not so easy to assign secondary causality (e.g., infringement of her legal right to be armed) without knowing a hell of a lot more. In police work, there's two (or more) sides to most stories and the truth usually found somewhere in the middle.

Domestics are invariably ugly. And military bases are just small cities. Inhabited by a representative cross section of American society. With all the same attendant drama that occurs anywhere else. Including the occasional homicide.

Unfortunate, but I'd not read too much into it (as a gun control issue) without a lot better reporting of the facts.

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Old 10-19-2018, 04:17   #10
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Well, one thing is for sure - he was armed and closer than 300 feet.
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Old 10-19-2018, 06:50   #11
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Well, one thing is for sure - he was armed and closer than 300 feet.
Yup - to paraphrase Top Gun: "That was some of the best restraining order I have seen....right up till he killed her."
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Like I said.
Old 10-22-2018, 17:23   #12
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Like I said.

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....this is becoming a fairly common occurrence.
A Soldier was taken into custody on Sunday after local authorities received a call telling them the service member and a woman were driving a car concealing a dead body in the trunk. Logan Kyle, 22, was in the passenger seat of the car when Calcasieu Parish Sheriff’s Office deputies stopped the driver, 24-year-old Sarah Parker, and searched the vehicle, the sheriff’s office announced. Deputies located the deceased woman in the trunk, the police report said, and identified her as the wife of Kyle, an active-duty Soldier stationed at Fort Polk, Louisiana, with 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division.

Detectives reported the woman was killed by Kyle at Fort Polk, a crime the Soldier allegedly confessed to, Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso told reporters during a press conference on Monday. Parker also allegedly confessed to charges of obstruction of justice and failure to report a homicide, the police report said, as she was reportedly “aware Kyle killed the woman and attempted to aid him with the disposal and concealment of her body."

Parker’s two children, ages 1 and 2, were in the back seat of the car at the time of the arrest. They have been taken into custody by the Department of Children & Family Services.

“What disturbs us about that as law enforcement officers is, you know, when we come in contact, it would not be abnormal for us to draw our weapons on what we consider a felony stop," Mancuso told reporters. “If we had to shoot into this car, or they shot back at us or for some reason, we could have injured two innocent children.”

Army Criminal Investigation Command, which was contacted by CPSO detectives following Kyle’s arrest, is investigating the alleged homicide. The name of the victim is being withheld until next of kin have been notified.

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Old 10-30-2018, 10:13   #13
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