Old 05-04-2017, 21:30   #1
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Recent contradicting information from recruiters

So I've been working with army recruiters (yes more than one, but that is another story) for over a year now. I let them know my intentions from the beginning that I wanted an 18x contract so to have my shot at SFAS. They all have told me that I would have to go to MEPS, get my physical, take the ASVAB (scored a 75) and meet the requirements and then if 18x was available I could sign on the dotted line and be good to go... awesome!

BUT, the contradiction hasn't come until recently. I have been trying to get into the military for almost 3 years now because of criminal waivers. Don't ask as it's not relevant to this post. In the midst I was having to develop a back up plan and have started my own business since. So I requested some information from the 19th and 20th SF groups about a REP 63 to see if it was possible I could get the best of both worlds with my business and serving my country. When they contacted me back, they said that if I were to go to MEPS today and attempt to request an 18x contract or even a REP 63 that I would not be able to obtain one because of the lack of endorsement from a current SF member. He said I needed to come out and do a APFT as well as a 12 mile ruck and just some time for them to get a feel of me. I said no problem, easy day! He himself was an SF guy and said he would contact my recruiter, but I'm not sure if he ever did or not. I tried contacting him back through email, but he has not got back to me. No pressure though as I dont have my suitability review (FINALLY!) until tomorrow. in which depending on that outcome, I will again try to get back in touch with him. Wish me luck!

So now I'm stuck in a rut of what I need to do and how the process works because my recruiter did not ever mention this step of obtaining a contract. Is this due to lack of knowledge on the recruiters end, or am I unfortunately having my request for a SF contract ignored and being set up to go to MEPS in an attempt to be persuaded to sign something else? I cannot afford to waste anymore time with this recruiting process as I am 24 years old and need to know where to put my primary focus. Any help or advice would be great.

p.s I know you guys are big on us assets reading more and posting less, but I could not find an answer to my question through the exhaustion of the search bar/ and google lol
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Old 05-04-2017, 22:49   #2
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Don't ask as it's not relevant to this post.
Really? It's ALWAYS relevant. You are the guest here. You want information from us but think facts about you are not relevant unless you say so? Your post indicates to me that you think pretty highly of yourself. You need to take the advice Peregrino gave you and STFU and read.
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Old 05-04-2017, 23:50   #3
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Really? It's ALWAYS relevant. You are the guest here. You want information from us but think facts about you are not relevant unless you say so? Your post indicates to me that you think pretty highly of yourself. You need to take the advice Peregrino gave you and STFU and read.
I just do not wish to make that public over a internet forum at this time. My apologies if my post came off vain and arrogant. Ive been reading this site for the past week with every chance I get. Its full of amazing information and stories, but none as to my question that I could locate.
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They all have told me that I would have to go to MEPS, get my physical, take the ASVAB (scored a 75) and meet the requirements and then if 18x was available I could sign on the dotted line and be good to go... awesome!
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I just do not wish to make that public over a internet forum at this time.
You just did,,

I believe the minimum ASVBS is still 110



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take the ASVAB (scored a 75).....I have been trying to get into the military for almost 3 years now because of criminal waivers
Those two statements are pretty much all I need to hear.
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If you somehow already scored a 75 ASVAB which won't qualify for a certain job, go for something else. Don't get discouraged because there are 100s of decent jobs in the Army.

A funny story; In 1969 I was on probation when I just turned 18 years old. I figured I could just go into the Air Force. Get out of probation and just do something different. I heard of that happening all the time, I thought.

The problem was, they said that is not going to happen. I sulked away and decided I would just go to an Army recruiter. Maybe I could slide in to something, anything. I just wanted to go into the service somehow.

The Army recruiter told me the same thing. It ain't gonna happen. Don't bother us.

I finally resigned myself to the fact that even though I wanted to join the Army because my dad was in, it wasn't for me. I just started a fair factory job at that point and I was happy.

But then 3-4 weeks later I was drafted. Go figure. I don't remember if i was on probation at that point or not, but in all likely hood not.

A friend of mine and I got drafted at the same time and went in to basic training together. In the first week we had a battery of tests of which we both did alright in. They gave us our choice of jobs and there were many to choose from.

We both chose to go the Special Forces route and everything worked out for both of us for the years we were in. Of course at that time we had to commit for an extra year. The system works in mysterious ways.

If you want to serve, I would just go in and see what is offered at the first week. I see very few people that regret going in even if it wasn't the dream job. Maybe Ranger slots would open or something else might interest you.
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Old 05-05-2017, 17:25   #7
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You just did,,

I believe the minimum ASVBS is still 110
I believe the score he is referring to is called the Armed Forces Qualification Test (AFQT) score it takes 4 areas averages them and weights them against the mean. A 70 is 2 SDs above the mean.

His GT nor CO score would reflect in that number.

If I'm remember correctly, I scored 85 or 90, my recruiter told me you can do any job in the military, I told him I wanted to be a Ranger! Sort of made those scores meaningless I had a 114 GT

I stand by my comments on the other thread with regard to Pvt Snaplink here. Criminal record is just icing on the cake!
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I believe the score he is referring to is called the Armed Forces Qualification Test (AFQT) score it takes 4 areas averages them and weights them against the mean. A 70 is 2 SDs above the mean.

His GT nor CO score would reflect in that number.

If I'm remember correctly, I scored 85 or 90, my recruiter told me you can do any job in the military, I told him I wanted to be a Ranger! Sort of made those scores meaningless I had a 114 GT

I stand by my comments on the other thread with regard to Pvt Snaplink here. Criminal record is just icing on the cake!
yes, the 75 is my AFQT score. I have a 115 GT score and the requirement is 110. ASVAB is squared away.

as far as my record, my suitability review went great and my waivers were approved! hell to the yea..

but I'm still in need of guidance as to how this process of getting an 18x contract works. does everybody have to attend a SFRE and have a SF member endorse you? or is that just for REP63? Or is it as simple as meeting all the requirements and then going to MEPS and if available I can choose it? I'm just trying to take the right steps without wasting time.
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Old 05-07-2017, 00:41   #9
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Each states SF unit can often do things differently.

Best bet is to call the state unit directly, and ask them who their dedicated recruiter is. You don't have to contact one state, you can contact as many as you feel comfortable living in / commuting to.

As a rule, and this may have changed. States either
1 - Put you in as an MOS like 11B or 68W kinda thing, you are assigned to another unit in state, and borrowed by the SF unit, until you are selected.
2 - Enrole you the unit directly, and reassign you should you not be selected, or give they give you another go, etc.

Some have an SFRE, some don't.

Things may have changed. Call the unit directly, ask for their prefered / dedicated recruiter. Take that recruiters word for it. Guys in unit will be less in the know, recruiters who aren't familure with that SF units recruitment practices are also less in the know. The prefered, dedicated recruiter is the one you want your G2 from.

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Each states SF unit can often do things differently.

Best bet is to call the state unit directly, and ask them who their dedicated recruiter is. You don't have to contact one state, you can contact as many as you feel comfortable living in / commuting to.

As a rule, and this may have changed. States either
1 - Put you in as an MOS like 11B or 68W kinda thing, you are assigned to another unit in state, and borrowed by the SF unit, until you are selected.
2 - Enrole you the unit directly, and reassign you should you not be selected, or give they give you another go, etc.

Some have an SFRE, some don't.

Things may have changed. Call the unit directly, ask for their prefered / dedicated recruiter. Take that recruiters word for it. Guys in unit will be less in the know, recruiters who aren't familure with that SF units recruitment practices are also less in the know. The prefered, dedicated recruiter is the one you want your G2 from.

HTH

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roger that! thank you for the response
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