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Old 05-25-2004, 20:15   #16
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Training with Chuck is impressive Blade Master. He used to hit verrrry hard from what I saw when he was fighting. Probably still go a round or two.
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Old 05-25-2004, 20:25   #17
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Martial Arts and modern warfare, very interesting topic. First, learn the firearms. Col. Rex Applegate and i discussed this several times. both shooting and hand to hand fighting had some common factors, training the reflexes for emergency stress response had a lot to do with success or not. Don't get locked into a single "style". We trained american boxing, grappling, judo, takedowns and throws as well as strikes. We could do high kicks ( in the old days I could do a jump spinning heel kick thru three inches of wood held suspended by the top only) and have knocked out several partners in training with body kicks. That scared the shit out of me because I'd thought I'd killed a friend when they hit the deck vibrating like a stunned fish, but I also understood how exposed high kicks were "on the street". Keep it real.
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Old 05-25-2004, 20:34   #18
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I love this topic. The Gung Ho Chuan and Gutter Fighters, same line as Col. Applegate, use a force continuum/escalation theory. Empty hand/Baton (ASP)/ knife/firearm. Pick your degree of force according to the threat. All are drawn basically the same and presented from the same body position - mechanics are very similar. I agree about the handgun - hardest to learn and I like doing the hard thing first.

Passing, blocking, axe hands, chin jabs, snap cuts, FLASH (for the TS LOL) sight picture shooting. Always having the advantage. Great stuff.

Fighting with rules is sport, and I don't play sports.

Of course The Reaper's BMFG with APLP ammo at 1,000 meters trumps.
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Old 05-25-2004, 20:35   #19
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You sure you aren't from South Boston ?

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Training with Chuck is impressive Blade Master. He used to hit verrrry hard from what I saw when he was fighting. Probably still go a round or two.
One cold Oregon season we'd brought Chuck up to Oregon for both a testing and tournament. That cool saturday morning the media was there to do a thing on Chuck so he asked me to help him warm up by my holding the strike pad on my left hand so he could do some spinning heel kicks. The first time he hit my hand was like I got hit with a baseball bat so I pulled my arm back into position so he could do it again (even old guys get lucky...) sumbitch, strike no. 2 was harder and I turned past half ways backwards. Hmmm, momma didn't raise no dummy, ok, quit now or stay in this style of martial arts. well awright, Momma raised a dummy, I put my arm back up and got hit even harder, WOW! I thought, if he misses the pad, my wrist is shattered. Sumbitch, cameras rolling now, can't quit. do it again, this is starting to hurt damnit. 10 times that side then change sides...same thing. Chuck never missed the center of the strike pad. I think he could help with Monkey Stomping.

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Old 05-25-2004, 20:46   #21
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I love this topic. The Gung Ho Chuan and Gutter Fighters, same line as Col. Applegate, use a force continuum/escalation theory. Empty hand/Baton (ASP)/ knife/firearm. Pick your degree of force according to the threat. All are drawn basically the same and presented from the same body position - mechanics are very similar. I agree about the handgun - hardest to learn and I like doing the hard thing first.

Passing, blocking, axe hands, chin jabs, snap cuts, FLASH (for the TS LOL) sight picture shooting. Always having the advantage. Great stuff.

Fighting with rules is sport, and I don't play sports.

Of course The Reaper's BMFG with APLP ammo at 1,000 meters trumps.
OK, Lets keep the Good Reaper out of this just for the moment, Using/training the human bodys natural stress response to a threat is the most important thing I learned from Rex Applegate. This is Monkey Stomping 101.
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Old 05-25-2004, 20:51   #22
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Re: Martial Arts

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Anyone Study? What do you study, How long have you studied, Would you recommend your art to anyone else?
Are you studying?
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No Smatchet???
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Sir Air.177, NDD's question...
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Are you studying?
Not consistantly now, But I still play with Modern Arnis stick stuff and Some Ryuku Kempo w/Kyusho jitsu pressure point stuff thrown in for good measure. Lots of knock outs and energy related stuff.
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Sir Air.177, NDD's question...
Tallyho, I didn't see it before I posted
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Old 05-25-2004, 21:18   #27
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I studied Jeet Kune Do, along with Kun Tao, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (with Royce Gracie), Kali (double stick and knife) and a couple others for about 4 years. Still practice periodically. I loved it and wish I had the time and the money to get back into it. Great for practical self defence and a great workout!

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Old 05-25-2004, 21:40   #28
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NDD, d'you get the 'manual' I e-mailed?
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Old 05-25-2004, 22:58   #29
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Studied Koden Kan Dan Zan Ryu Jujitsu for 13 years (achived Ni-dan).

While studying Jujitsu I did some stuff under Professor Walli Jay.....mostly tap out and scream. What an amazing instructor.

Also did some old school Ninjitsu with a guy from Isreal....If you guys want to know his name PM me I will not post it in the open. He got his 7th in Ninjitsu from Hatsumi in Japan.

Currently just started Combat Hapkido.

I recently went to a Bill Wolfe DEFENDO seminar. WOW that guy is one BAD MAMA JAMA. Mr. Harsey I'm sure you know Mr. Wolfe I guess he learned DEFENDO from Col Applegate. I can't wait to go to another one of his classes.

If you guys are curious this is DEFENDO .
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Studied Ed Parker's IKKA Kenpo Karate for 3 1/2 years. Was assistant instructor, for the kiddies and lower ranking belts at my studio for 2 years.

Was Jeff Speakman's punching bag, when he came to Denver to promote his (and Mr. Parker's) movie The Perfect Weapon. My Instructor was more into Kick boxing than Kata's and forms, so we did alot of training in that and competed in alot of the local fights. ( My record 11-2-1) Met Chuck Norris, too. Once was at one of my Instructors fights and latter when I worked on an Episode of Walker, Texas Ranger. Nice guy.

But now that I've found out about the secrets of Monkey Stomping, those other Eastern Styles can take a back seat. Where do I sign up?
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