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Old 02-17-2014, 18:35   #1
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Leadership Development

Gentlemen,

As a QM Officer finishing up my platoon leader time, I have begun to see that the way that I am being molded to lead is quite different in many aspects when compared to my combat arms peers. I am not speaking of leadership traits (morals, values, etc..) but rather, the process that we go through day to day in order to accomplish our missions. (Troop Leading Procedures, Planning Considerations, How we exercise Command and Control, etc..) For example, my platoon has yet to run a platoon level operation. Rather, my PSG and I plan the missions and manage the various sections that go off and accomplish whatever individual tasks are sent down from higher. That is not to say that I have not gotten a vast amount of great leadership experience; I would just categorize it as "different".

With SFAS being a 200m target at this stage, I am looking for as many ways to continue to refine my leadership as possible. I may be splitting hairs here but, should I be concerned with learning the processes laid out in FM 7-8, Ranger Handbook, etc.? Or should I stay the course and continue to refine based on the parameters of my unit and its mission?
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Old 02-18-2014, 15:39   #2
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Recommend you attend and graduate from Ranger School if you haven't done so already.
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Old 02-18-2014, 16:43   #3
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Very difficult for a non-Combat Arms officer to fit into his schedule, and still have time for the SFQC.

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Old 02-18-2014, 20:35   #4
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TR----You're absolutely correct; obtaining a Ranger slot for a non-combat arms officer is a challenge. However, IMHO, any officer---especially one who has not served as an 11-series---who shows up to take command of an ODA without a Ranger tab is at a distinct disadvantage. My understanding is that SWCS reserves Ranger slots in ATRRS for non-tabbed officers once they graduate the SFQC----I wonder if that is still ground truth given the current budget issues.
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:49   #5
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Recommend you attend and graduate from Ranger School if you haven't done so already.
Sir, I probably got a little too wordy in my question. Ranger School just was not a reality at my Basic Course (No Slots) nor is it a reality in my current Division. I am really looking for any ideas on how to get at that same kind of training; just here on home station. Or alternately, is that kind of training really that applicable in the ambigous SFAS environment?

I am just going to drive on doing what I am doing. If I am afforded the opportunity to attend Ranger School then great! If not, I will just make due with what I can out here
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Special Forces is not the infantry, although you do need to be an expert in infantry tactics.

My recommendation for those without a combat arms background who wish to join Special Forces:

1. Attend Ranger School if you can

2. Study FM 7-8 and the RHB if you are able, a knowledge base will help prior to your arrival at SFQC

3. Learn as much as you can at SUT. It can suck, but you must do more than just survive. Take the lessons learned and internalize them

4. Learn as much as you can from those on your team that have lived and breathed it. Know your own strengths and weaknesses
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And Ranger School after SFQC is always a possibility. Hell - everything is possible now. (NTM you'll have a better chance of a first time go after the experience gained in SFQC. That's one hurdle the social experiments haven't achieved yet.)
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Gentlemen,

I may be splitting hairs here but, should I be concerned with learning the processes laid out in FM 7-8, Ranger Handbook, etc.? Or should I stay the course and continue to refine based on the parameters of my unit and its mission?

The Ranger Handbook is the base for everything. If you know TLP's and Order Creation, you will have a good understanding of deliberate planning, you also need to fully understand it at a tactical level so that you can brief your plan in a logical order to Senior officers two level's higher than you.
(this is key to success. what use is a great plan if you don't get it approved)

FYI: The Detachment mission planning guide is your GO TO in the 18A Course but the Ranger Handbook is always used for a reference during Direct Action (DA) planning.
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The Ranger Handbook is the base for everything. If you know TLP's and Order Creation, you will have a good understanding of deliberate planning, you also need to fully understand it at a tactical level so that you can brief your plan in a logical order to Senior officers two level's higher than you.
(this is key to success. what use is a great plan if you don't get it approved)

FYI: The Detachment mission planning guide is your GO TO in the 18A Course but the Ranger Handbook is always used for a reference during Direct Action (DA) planning.
I can sure as hell second that. I've seen Warfighters where Brigade and Battalion staffs, bogged down in MDMP and late getting out meaningful FRAGOs / OPORDS...if someone would have whipped out a Ranger Handbook and passed it around...everyone would have slapped their collective foreheads and got the important shit out to subordinate elements faster and more effectively and not forgot stuff.
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