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Old 01-26-2004, 16:12   #1
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Personal 1st Aid/Medical Kits

Could we get some feedback from the medical personnel on this site with recommendations on what would be appropriate for medical gear in several size kits?

I would say that the first would be tiny, for inclusion in the Altoids/tobacco can sized survival kit, consisting of 1 cubic inch or so, one that would fit in an issue aid pouch (on the LBE), one for the cigar box sized first aid kit (likely to be carried in/on the ruck), then one for the full blown home/vehicle/dedicated medical M-5 type bag. Assume access to meds and Basic Combat Lifesaver and SF medical cross-training. Also assume that the larger kits are for more than just 1st aid, and include the contents to make some treatment possible.

Would anyone else like to see this, or am I alone in my interest?

Admins please move to the med forums if more appropriate there.

Thanks.

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Old 01-26-2004, 21:41   #2
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Aid Bag Supplies

I did not include controlled substances in this list.
Miscellaneous
(2) Trauma Shears
(2) Kelly Forceps
(1) Army Field Surgical Kit
(1) Tourniquet (w/ sharpie attached for recording time applied)
(1) Stethoscope
(1) B/P Cuff
(1) Mini-Mag Light
(1) 4x8 notepad
(2) Adjustable C-Collars
(1) Adult Nasal Cannula (for eye flushing)
(10) Pair Gloves
(1) Pair AIDS Shades

Trauma/Bandaging
(2) Asherman Chest Seal
(10) 5x9's
(20) 4x4's
(2) 12x30 Trauma Dressing
(5) Isreali Bandages
(4) Vasoline Gauze
(2) Rolls 2" Tape
(2) Rolls 1" Tape
(5) Rolls Kerlix
(5) Rolls Gauze
(5) Rolls Coban
(5) Cravats
(2) SAM Splints
(2) 4" Elastic Bandages
(2) 3" Elastic Bandages
(2) 5x9 H2O Gel Burn Pads
(2) Tubes Antibiotic Ointment
(20) Alcohol Swabs
(20) Betadine Swabs
(1) Bottle Sterile Water
(4) 14ga x 3-1/2" lg Jelco(for needle decompression)

Medications
(2) Tubes Insta-Glucose
(1) Tube Activated Charcoal
(1) Bottle ASA
(1) Bottle Motrin
(1) Bottle Benadryl
(1) Tube Topical Benadryl
(1) Bottle Anti-emetic
(1) Bottle Anti-diarrheal
(2) Epi Pens-Adult (.3mg)

IV Therapy
(4) 1000ml NS
(4) ea 14-18ga IV Cath
(4) IV start kits(small Ziplock bag w/ Alcohol pad, rubber tourniquet, Tegaderm, 4" IV extension set)
(4) 20gtts Drop Sets
(4) 18 ga Needles
(2) 20cc Syringe
(2) FAST’s
(1) Sharps Shuttle

Airway
(1) Adult BVM
(1) McGill Forceps
(1) Cetacain Spray
(1) Tube Lido Jel
(4) KY Jelly Packets
(1) OPA Kit (50-100mm)
(1) NPA Kit (26-32Fr)
(2) ea 6.0-8.0 ET Tube w/ stylette
(1) BAAM
(1) Laryngoscope Handle
(1) ea #3 Mac and Miller blades
(2) 10cc Syringe
(2) Tube Tamer
(1) Quick Cric Kit or (Field cric kit: #10 scalpel, Betadine prep, 3.0 ET uncuffed-cut, 2x2, 1"tape)
(2) Spare C-Batteries
(2) Spare Laryngoscope Bulbs

EDITTED to add:

(2) Ice packs
(2) Hot Packs
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Old 01-26-2004, 21:46   #3
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Cigar Box

(1) 14ga 3" lg IV cath (needle decompression)
(2) Isreali Bandage
(4) 4x4's
(1) 5x9
(1) Asherman Chest Seal
(5) Assorted Adhesive Bandaids
(2) Rolls Kerlix
(1) Trauma Shears
(1) Cravat
(1) Antibiotic Ointment
(1) 100mm OPA
(1) 30fr NPA
(1) Tube Insta-Glucose
(1) Tourniquet (w/ sharpie to note time applied)
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Old 01-26-2004, 21:50   #4
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LBE Pouch

(1) Isreali Bandage
(1) Roll ˝" Tape
(2) 3x3's
(1) Cravat
(5) Assorted Bandaids
(1) Betadine Swab
(1) Antibiotic Swab
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Old 01-26-2004, 21:51   #5
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Altoid Box

(1) 2x2
(4) Large Bandaids
(1) Antibiotic swab
(1) Betadine Swab

Not gonna get much useful stuff in one of these, especially after looking at everything else in the Survival Kit NDD posted.
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Old 01-27-2004, 10:46   #6
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Good stuff Surgicalcric.

One thing some of you guys might consider for the Altiod box is taking out the fishing kit and putting in more med supplies.

The important thing about survival kits is to understand the environment you will be surviving. You can go a couple of days without food and longer if you have "fuel". Are you really going to fish? If so, there are other ways to do it. If you have a medical problem, it can put you in the hurt locker in a day or less. Especially in a jungle environment.

Razor has some good thoughts on survival kits.
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Old 01-27-2004, 10:52   #7
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Quote:
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc

Razor has some good thoughts on survival kits.
Well let's see them.

All I have seen from him so far on survival kits is the article over at www.geardo.com

BTW, Thanks SurgicalCrip! Good advice, thoug for the smallest kit, I would say a couple of bandaids, some surgistrips, betadine and ointment packets, a couple aspirin, a suture, and some dental floss. I like to add things with multiple uses.

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Old 01-27-2004, 10:54   #8
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If I can add that dental floss has literally a thousand uses...it is relatively strong and packaged quite neatly. Stay away from the newfangle "ribbon" floss though, it is plastic and not very high tensile strength...

Input on the aid boxes to follow...

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Old 01-27-2004, 10:55   #9
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This is my personal kit that I carry on my vest. All in a TT zippered utl pouch.

Outside pocket.
Personal 1st aid bandage, set of gloves sealed in ziplock bag

Inside
500ml Ringers Bag
Start kit:
2 16g Cath
2x2
Provodine and Alchol pad
small roll of tape
length of rubber tubing

Asherman Chest seal
2 Pet Gauze
Cravat
Roll of Kerlex
J tube
EMT Shears
Med sized personal bandage
pocket mask

The idea behind this kit is twofold. Worst case anyone can use it to treat me, plus I always have the basics on me so that If I get seperated from my RAID then I can start treatment on a cas.

I carry it right side about where most people feel comfortable carrying a canteen.
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...BTW, Thanks SurgicalCrip! Good advice, thoug for the smallest kit, I would say a couple of bandaids, some surgistrips, betadine and ointment packets, a couple aspirin, a suture, and some dental floss. I like to add things with multiple uses.

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Surgicalcrip huh... Thats pretty funny Sir.

I had thought about adding other items, but from the looks of the kit, on the link, posted by NDD, it could not hold much more.

On the other hand I have never had to condense my ALS bag into an Altoid tin.

How about a list of uses for dental floss?

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Old 01-27-2004, 12:54   #11
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Sewing thread
Fishing line
Small lashings
Suturing
Small game snare line
Expedient weapons cleaning
Tie downs
Tying fletching onto arrows
Dental hygiene

The list goes on and on.

Light, holds a knot well, packaged right. Good stuff!

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Old 01-27-2004, 14:51   #12
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Floss....

Just a few more uses off the top of my head....

1. Used to hang strips of venison to dehydrate
2. Can cut steel bars (wet then roll in crushed graphite from pencil lead) - I admit you would have to spend a lot of time. It can be done. Prisoners have done it to escape.
3. Can be used to ligate vessels, umbilical chords, etc
4. Just to reiterate... ORAL HYGIENE

Versatile stuff. Comes highly recommended by the Professional Soldier's resident Jaw Breaker.
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Old 01-28-2004, 18:35   #13
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Anyone have any playtime with kevlar thread? its near unbreakable and just as thick as the thread used for sewing up a t-10 harness. Pretty neat stuff.
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Old 01-28-2004, 18:59   #14
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Hard to knot, and hold it.

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Old 01-29-2004, 17:32   #15
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Gentlemen,

Would you guys mind if I archive this information at geardo.com?

it seems that a lot of this information can get lost in the information bucket we call the internet.

Folks tend to ask the same questions or iterations there of, over and over again, and one of my reasons for standing up GDC was to capture this information in a "one-stop shop" for gear information.

I would personally like to know what the lifespan of these medical supplies are, and how the environment will affect said items. Also another thing for the benefit of gearmakers are the approximate sizes/volumetric displacement of various medical tools and supplies

Thanks!
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