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Old 04-16-2019, 11:40   #16
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Ha.....to tell you the truth, I don't drink any hard liquor. But if I did want a taste of Whiskey I would pour it in a glass, smell it, "sip" and roll it around in my mouth a bit, and then swallow....LOL....
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Old 04-16-2019, 11:43   #17
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I first learned of the Gill on a Business trip to Scotland(cera 1981?). A local friend took me to a private club(a buddies garage) where all drinks were either 1/4 or 1/2 Gill served in a 4oz glass with a bit of room for ONE ice cube.

Although all pubs will serve a dram or shot, you will get a smile from the bartender if you order a Gill (4oz US vs 5oz UK)

A wee dram is a bit small for my liking :]

one Gill = 32 Drams
So having 2 drinks is not being an alcoholic. Learning has occurred.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:14   #18
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So having 2 drinks is not being an alcoholic. Learning has occurred.
You are correct - 2 glasses of whiskey = perfectly acceptable.
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Old 04-16-2019, 12:16   #19
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You are correct - 2 glasses of whiskey = perfectly acceptable.
Now to convince people that having them with breakfast is for cultural reasons.

And lunch...and dinner...and a nightcap.
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Old 04-16-2019, 14:49   #20
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Gulp is something that rednecks do with cheap NASCAR beer - it is not how civilized people drink Bourbon, Irish Whiskey or a good Single-Malt Scotch.

I suppose if you are one of those heathens that drink double malt scotch or some other nonsensical type of blended whiskey - a belt or even a slug would be suitable or even appropriate. (not as a way of quantifying the size of your drink but as a physical form of punishment for your poor life choices)

If one needs to "swallow, belt, or gulp a large amount in a single moment" then I would just assume that they are talking about an 8 dollar bottle of Kentucky Gentleman or a half empty bottle of Early Times that was stolen from underneath the threadbare smelly overcoat of a passed out homeless bum sleeping under a bridge. You know what Iam talking about - the same kind of people that would drink ThunderBird out of a plastic champagne flute.............
Please don't needlessly disparage the "lesser" distillates, they too serve their purpose. Though beneath the dignity of a connoisseur, they are not valueless. Even the swill in the half gallon plastic bottles on the bottom shelf at the Class VI has value if it can be used to divert the cretins who would blithely adulterate the more refined offerings with base contaminates, i.e. cola. Personally, I've been known to bait the bar with a half gallon of Jack Daniels just to distract the dipsomaniacs from my W2O.
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Old 04-16-2019, 15:35   #21
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Please don't needlessly disparage the "lesser" distillates, they too serve their purpose. Though beneath the dignity of a connoisseur, they are not valueless. Even the swill in the half gallon plastic bottles on the bottom shelf at the Class VI has value if it can be used to divert the cretins who would blithely adulterate the more refined offerings with base contaminates, i.e. cola.
The American distillers guild is more than capable of creating the finest whiskey in the world, but for the stinking laws,, and profit margins..

I truly would love to see the US (not sure if it's ATF or Food & Drug or ICC) eliminate the stupid law(s) that regulate the whiskey industry.

One of the most abhorrent codes is that ALL whiskey distillers must use brand new oak barrels and they can only be used once.

Whereas the Scots and Irish will use a barrel multiple times. In fact, they purchase "used" American barrels.

They also use wine barrels from all over the EU for the distinct flavor they impart during the maturation period. Port, Burgandy, Brandy, both red and white USED wine casks.

ALSO, American distillers need to start aging their product to some acceptable length of time. It is the maturing process that makes truly great whisky.

By law, in Scotland, whisky must be matured for a minimum of three years. If a bottle of Scotch whisky shows an age statement, e.g. "12 Years Old" means that the youngest whisky in the bottle is at least 12 years old.

In the US they wait until the molasses is thoroughly stirred, then bottle.,, well, maybe a one or two, but not long enough.

The aging problem is economic, when the whisky sits for a year, it makes no money. Let it sit 18 yrs?? AND let the alcohol evaporate thru the porous wood.

Approximately 29 million gallons evaporate out of Scotish barrels every single year. It's called the angels' share and one reason great whisky is expensive.


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Old 04-16-2019, 15:53   #22
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It's called the angles share and one reason great whisky is expensive.
This is an acute problem in the states. Am I right on this, or am I being too obtuse?
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This is an acute problem in the states. Am I right on this, or am I being too obtuse?
Not Obtuse, to the point, There are some boutique distillers that are moving in the right direction, but slowly.

I am not sure why. Distillers in Scotland and Irland have a couple of hundred years practice, but Whiskey has been made in the US from the get-go.

George Washington, at Mount Vernon(c ref), was one of the largest distillers in the US, so were several other founding fathers. But what they made was a matter of what is available, corn, wheat, rye, oats, barley...

I think the early US distilleries were partially bound by Puritan attitudes, while the early Scots and Irish were mostly Catholic and didn't give a dam for the English or Martin Luther and the Reformers.

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Old 04-17-2019, 07:45   #24
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JJ - IIRC it's only bourbon that has strict regulations WRT how it's made. Complaints about the "laws" are just that, complaints. Bourbon is still whiskey, it's just produced to a rigid standard; reminiscent of the German beer purity laws. American distillers can produce anything they want; they just can't call it Bourbon if it doesn't meet the nine criteria codified in the laws/regulations. If you ever get the chance I recommend taking the Bourbon Trail tour in KY. Well worth your time and certainly educational. (Kind of disappointing too; especially when you learn how many American distilleries are actually owned by foreign interests.)
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Old 04-17-2019, 08:18   #25
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JJ - IIRC it's only bourbon that has strict regulations WRT how it's made. Complaints about the "laws" are just that, complaints. Bourbon is still whiskey, it's just produced to a rigid standard; reminiscent of the German beer purity laws. American distillers can produce anything they want; they just can't call it Bourbon if it doesn't meet the nine criteria codified in the laws/regulations. If you ever get the chance I recommend taking the Bourbon Trail tour in KY. Well worth your time and certainly educational. (Kind of disappointing too; especially when you learn how many American distilleries are actually owned by foreign interests.)
This topic is best discussed over a variety of fine whiskeys!
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Old 04-17-2019, 22:05   #26
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Thank You for bringing attention to the truly important things in our lives. Of all of the BS that media and our country consider important, none is as worthy of our time spent reading as your wisdom in text here.
Thank you again for initiating this dialog.
2 GLASSES down and carrying on.

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