Go Back   Professional Soldiers ® > At Ease > General Discussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Old 08-10-2017, 17:20   #61
WarriorDiplomat
Quiet Professional
 
WarriorDiplomat's Avatar
 
WarriorDiplomat is offline
Join Date: May 2010
Location: C.S. Colorado
Posts: 1,056
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete View Post
OPAT is here. Occupational Physical Assessment Test.

An officer's take on it.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/your-a...ls-no-punches/

"...The current standard for combat arms, according to the OPAT, requires you to have the lower body power of mediocre 12-year-old, the upper body power of an elite 14-year-old, the strength of an average 13-to-15-year-old who works out, and the endurance level of a fit senior citizen..."

Article on it.

http://www.fortgordonglobe.com/news/...standards.html
OMG that is what they came up with?? and there is something like that already in Group I just realized?? the THOR program does an assessment like that with weighted pull ups I heard there is a guy who can deadlift 700+ lbs.
__________________
“For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.” –Rudyard Kipling, The Law of the Jungle, The Jungle Book.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-10-2017, 20:41   #62
cbtengr
Area Commander
 
cbtengr's Avatar
 
cbtengr is offline
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Midwest
Posts: 1,956
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat View Post
Those are the new rubber weights the bigger ones weight 25 lbs and the thinner one on the end weighs 10?. The sound of clanking steel is not seen as often as it once was.
Thanks for that info, rubber weights?? In my day anything that size was 45# and we did PT in combat boots. I guess I have become a FOG not as old as some FOG's but a FOG none the less.
__________________
The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-11-2017, 07:17   #63
WarriorDiplomat
Quiet Professional
 
WarriorDiplomat's Avatar
 
WarriorDiplomat is offline
Join Date: May 2010
Location: C.S. Colorado
Posts: 1,056
Quote:
Originally Posted by cbtengr View Post
Thanks for that info, rubber weights?? In my day anything that size was 45# and we did PT in combat boots. I guess I have become a FOG not as old as some FOG's but a FOG none the less.
Yeah I think all this stuff is a carry over from the Olympic and Professional sports world as far as equipment and techniques......I don't think the assessment described was voted on or researched my suspicion it was a collaboration between an enterprising Officer with an eye towards promotion and the gender neutral(pro female) agenda...

I will say though that the newer fitness will more than likely produce more lifelong fitness types and reduce long term injuries........but joes are joes even with all the exercise ad rehab specialist joe finds a way to get on profile and avoid doing anything. and all the experts in the world cannot dispute claimed pain
__________________
“For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.” –Rudyard Kipling, The Law of the Jungle, The Jungle Book.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-11-2017, 11:05   #64
Badger52
Area Commander
 
Badger52's Avatar
 
Badger52 is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Western WI
Posts: 3,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by cbtengr View Post
I guess I have become a FOG not as old as some FOG's but a FOG none the less.
Apparently you have put away older things & moved toward great Brisket - embrace the evolution!

Not to derail the thread but (since this FOG can't recall), I'm curious what the WACs of my era were doing for PT at the time we had M-14's and the PCPT was 5 events/500 pts overall? (late 60's, weren't they all sexistly segregated down at Ft McClellan?)

160lbs? I never once encountered another guy (smelly, 1 each, w/o weapon but w/ALICE gear) that weighed less than that when it came time for the man-carry event. Sheesh, what luck. Excuse me, I have to go now & tell some kids to get off the lawn.
__________________
The coin paid to enforce words on parchment is blood; tyrants will not be stopped with anything less dear. - QP Peregrino
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-11-2017, 11:31   #65
PSM
Area Commander
 
PSM's Avatar
 
PSM is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cochise Co., AZ
Posts: 5,100
Quote:
Originally Posted by Badger52 View Post
160lbs? I never once encountered another guy (smelly, 1 each, w/o weapon but w/ALICE gear) that weighed less than that when it came time for the man-carry event. Sheesh, what luck.
I weighed 118 in basic. EVERYBODY carried me!. Then it was my turn.

Pat
__________________
"Hector Lives!"

"The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass

"The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -- Dennis Prager

"The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it." --H.L. Mencken
  Reply With Quote

Candidate to be first female Navy SEAL officer -
Old 08-11-2017, 15:06   #66
Pete
Quiet Professional
 
Pete's Avatar
 
Pete is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Fayetteville
Posts: 11,995
Candidate to be first female Navy SEAL officer -

- quits after a week

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ca...rticle/2631205

"...The unidentified female candidate dropped out in early August during a three-week course in San Diego that began July 24. It was the first assessment of potential SEAL officers before they can be sent on to more grueling courses, according to the website, which cited "multiple Naval Special Warfare Command sources."..."
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-11-2017, 16:25   #67
cbtengr
Area Commander
 
cbtengr's Avatar
 
cbtengr is offline
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Midwest
Posts: 1,956
barbie.jpg And so is becoming a Special Forces soldier or a SEAL.
__________________
The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-11-2017, 23:59   #68
bailaviborita
Quiet Professional
 
bailaviborita's Avatar
 
bailaviborita is offline
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NC
Posts: 530
In the past, the strong exploited the weak. "Civilized" behavior was thought to be different- that the strong protected the weak. Chivalry meant men protected women, smart folks protected idiots, and the strongest and wittiest ruled- protecting all others. It made groups able to accomplish what everyone individually couldn't even dream of.

Today our technology has progressed to a state that the weak literally protect the strong (or in some cases, simply steal from them). Chivalry, of course, is no longer needed- in fact it is viewed as oppressive. Our myth in the past- of chivalry- has been replaced with the myth that everyone is equal- or, not really- but should be made that way- and, more importantly, that there is no responsibility to earn said equality of outcome.

This may be dangerous, as- really, who really cares if the weak are slaughtered? If we go to war and a lot of our weakest - and potentially most dim-witted- are killed? We in some areas may think everyone else is chivalrous- but look at the current pop culture and honestly tell me chivalry is still alive outside of a few pockets. Even though we think moms and dads won't like their daughters coming home in body bags- I think the reality is and will be that most won't really care.

What has this "progress" from technology given us? Women getting their faces pounded in by men in cage fights at Hood and other places. Women boxers and MMA fights (and, curiously, a war on American football). Women in combat arms and tremendous upheaval within SOF and combat arms attempting to incorporate them in in a way in which they will be as successful as possible. War medals for drone pilots. Talk of recruiting otherwise losers into Cyber Command to protect "the strong". SHARP, EO, diversity classes, women's month speeches in the military, LGBT celebrations and speeches in the military, and the idea of a "right" to serve in the military. A "rape crisis" on campuses and in the military.

Once the strong protected the weak. Now the weak will protect the strong. Men won't lift a finger to help a woman in distress (outside of a few areas), because "we're all equal" and they "cage fight anyway." Is this really progress? Is this why our grandfathers and great grandfathers fought in World War II and other wars?

I'd say the standards arguments- on both sides- are a waste of time. In time of war- whether low intensity or high- we will make the standards such that we get the amount we need or are authorized to have. We have always done so- as has every other group or nation. And for every person who says, "as long as they meet the standards..."--- who really says that about men? I"ve heard no-one ever say, "as long as that guy meets the physical standards, he should serve in x unit." Because we all know that's just the minimum. You also have to be able to function on a team. Handle stress on a team--- which is a social phenomenon. That's why we have Robin Sage and subjective instructor evaluations. If all we needed was a minimum physical standard- we could just do Selection and then send them to Group.

No- what counts is something that isn't objective and can't be measured. It is tacit- hard to describe, much less detect. It is largely social. And that is something that a woman, a homosexual, a transgender, or a terrible team player just can't overcome and thus would hurt a team. A team can't have a bunch of non-team players that simply meet physical standards. They have to have something innate that we all know when we see it, is different based on the personalities present and the situation, usually has something to do with the dominant culture of the team, and is ultimately beyond the data-nerds' crunching of "standards."

Our technological progress allows us to get away with this stupidity.... for now. But I fear for the future generations---
__________________
To an imperial city nothing is inconsistent which is expedient - Euphemus of Athens

Last edited by bailaviborita; 08-12-2017 at 00:06.
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-12-2017, 04:54   #69
Badger52
Area Commander
 
Badger52's Avatar
 
Badger52 is offline
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Western WI
Posts: 3,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by bailaviborita View Post
Our technological progress allows us to get away with this stupidity.... for now. But I fear for the future generations---
+1 Those telling everyone who gets disappointed about anything in life that they have a right to a mantle of victimhood & redress will be eliminated, but only when the crumbling bricks of a culture have reached street-level. An appreciation of traditional nurturer/provider roles, that one is not less important than the other & that one is more suited to one role than the other, is likely to come too late. Many have never had the occasion to be part of something bigger than themselves when, perhaps, it is in front of them. They need only look at their children and reflect on whether they've managed to raise a good person. Some have been told that isn't "enough" - the people doing the telling of that need to be run out into the wilderness.
__________________
The coin paid to enforce words on parchment is blood; tyrants will not be stopped with anything less dear. - QP Peregrino
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-15-2017, 14:28   #70
Stobey
Guerrilla Chief
 
Stobey's Avatar
 
Stobey is offline
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: FRANKLINVILLE, NEW JERSEY
Posts: 606
Even though I've never been in the military, I understand that what every combat unit - particularly small unit[s] - values is "cohesion". Women in combat roles negatively affect this cohesion, as most of you QPs have pointed out.

This article appeared on Canada Free Press today. Just another article demonstrating [again] why you gentlemen are right; and the "social engineers" should keep the @#*& out of the military. I'll post the link:

http://canadafreepress.com/article/s...imits-to-women
__________________
"IN A UNIVERSE OF DECEIT, TRUTH BECOMES A REVOLUTIONARY ACT." GEORGE ORWELL
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 21:19.



Copyright 2004-2017 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies