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Old 02-16-2018, 19:00   #31
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Glad to see a portion of the letter we wrote back in 2013 re-posted in this thread.

I would like to opine that the dialog and subsequent debate today is much, much different than that in response to the Sandy Hook shooting that precipitated the letter in 2013. Look carefully at the points we raised. These are exactly the major points being discussed and appear to be becoming a consensus of the majority of the talking points that are gaining traction.

Can I prove that there is a direct cause and effect relationship? No.

But I can say the letter has been "quietly" distributed very broadly. Has it influenced the thinking and the subsequent discussion today? Maybe so.

That my friends is the MO of the "Quiet Professionals" and this is a typical outcome.

Plant some simple truth seeds, tend the garden, be diligent, and patient. Usually, the efforts will bear fruit.
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Old 02-16-2018, 19:08   #32
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TJ, one can hope but I remain unconvinced that our letter has reached the people necessary for change.
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Old 02-16-2018, 19:10   #33
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Tonyz, thank you for the reply and the link. As far as I’m concerned, the proposed solutions encompass the complexity of the problem, focus on the various aspects of the problem, and offer practical solutions in agreement with the Constitution.

Do you know the degree of circulation the letter has received in political circles (Congress, state legislatures)? Also, with permission from this forum, I would like to submit the letter to my State and US representatives.

Thank you for your time.

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Please share it far and wide. Thank you.
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Old 02-16-2018, 19:59   #34
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Does this kid deserve a dirt nap; now, after the fact? Yes.

Did this kid deserve a dirt nap before Wednesday? Yes. He was a clear and present danger and made that abundantly clear. Someone should have taken care of that before it became a problem. (Something that’s wrong with a civilized country.)

Are we going to hold accountable the justice system before, at the point of failure, or after it’s clear that the system failed? I sure as hell hope so. I hope that every person, police officer, sergeant or detective, agent, special agent, supervisor or a Special Agent in Charge is relived of duties and fired without retirement benefits. You fucked up and innocent people died. There is no greater excuse for failing to do due diligence and due process. You had one job to do and you failed! The rest of your distinguished career means nothing.

That is the necessary change needed to reduce future incidents of failure to respond to “imminent danger” from a known and reported multiple sources.

I’m not asking for miracles or forbearance but justice for the kids who lost their lives in another senseless tragedy brought to us by the last administration.
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Old 02-16-2018, 23:06   #35
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Thank you, sir. I will do just that.
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Old 02-16-2018, 23:10   #36
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ODNT, there was an obvious failure in Florida, but it appears to have raised awareness in other regions. This happened, today, about 35 minutes from My home in Amarillo.

ETA: Sorry, my link didn’t work. Here is the actual link. http://www.newschannel10.com/story/3...at-on-snapchat
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Parental responsibility

I debated about putting this here, or in the forum where The Letter is but thought it germane here, particularly since I heard yesterday on the scanner that someone had called county dispatch & wanted to speak to an officer regarding a young person with some violent postings. So the awareness from this latest shooting is out there, no denying. However, for the winner with my morning coffee comes this FB posting from a FL middle-school Teacher of the Year. Didn't want to settle for what the news decides so snagged the whole thing from Fakebook; Kelly Guthrie Raley's words are worth a read IMHO:

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Okay, I’ll be the bad guy and say what no one else is brave enough to say, but wants to say. I’ll take all the criticism and attacks from everyone because you know what? I’m a TEACHER. I live this life daily. And I wouldn’t do anything else! But I also know daily I could end up in an active shooter situation.

Until we, as a country, are willing to get serious and talk about mental health issues, lack of available care for the mental health issues, lack of discipline in the home, horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school (oh no! Not MY KID. What did YOU do to cause my kid to react that way?), lack of moral values, and yes, I’ll say it-violent video games that take away all sensitivity to ANY compassion for others’ lives, as well as reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream up in each others’ faces and not value any other person but themselves, we will have a gun problem in school. Our kids don’t understand the permanency of death anymore!!!

I grew up with guns. Everyone knows that. But you know what? My parents NEVER supported any bad behavior from me. I was terrified of doing something bad at school, as I would have not had a life until I corrected the problem and straightened my ass out. My parents invaded my life. They knew where I was ALL the time. They made me have a curfew. They made me wake them up when I got home. They made me respect their rules. They had full control of their house, and at any time could and would go through every inch of my bedroom, backpack, pockets, anything! Parents: it’s time to STEP UP! Be the parent that actually gives a crap! Be the annoying mom that pries and knows what your kid is doing. STOP being their friend. They have enough “friends” at school. Be their parent. Being the “cool mom” means not a damn thing when either your kid is dead or your kid kills other people because they were allowed to have their space and privacy in YOUR HOME. I’ll say it again. My home was filled with guns growing up. For God’s sake, my daddy was an 82nd Airborne Ranger who lost half his face serving our country. But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one! I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn’t mine...it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me.

There. Say that I’m a horrible person. I didn’t bring up gun control, and I will refuse to debate it with anyone. This post wasn’t about gun control. This was me, loving the crap out of people and wanting the best for them. This was about my school babies and knowing that God created each one for greatness, and just wanting them to reach their futures. It’s about 20 years ago this year I started my teaching career. Violence was not this bad 20 years ago. Lack of compassion wasn’t this bad 20 years ago. And God knows 20 years ago that I wasn’t afraid daily to call a parent because I KNEW that 9 out of 10 would cuss me out, tell me to go to Hell, call the news on me, call the school board on me, or post all over FaceBook about me because I called to let them know what their child chose to do at school...because they are a NORMAL kid!!!!!

Those 17 lives mattered. When are we going to take our own responsibility seriously?
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Question Think about this...

As a child, I never thought to kill another person.

As a 54 y/o male shit slips through my mind where I think: "Jesus fucking Christ! That kid is so fucked up...shoot that mother fucker right now."

The next thing you know, I'm in church, HR or some higher institutionalized of "higher" learning being told the kid needed help.
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I debated about putting this here, or in the forum where The Letter is but thought it germane here, particularly since I heard yesterday on the scanner that someone had called county dispatch & wanted to speak to an officer regarding a young person with some violent postings. So the awareness from this latest shooting is out there, no denying. However, for the winner with my morning coffee comes this FB posting from a FL middle-school Teacher of the Year. Didn't want to settle for what the news decides so snagged the whole thing from Fakebook; Kelly Guthrie Raley's words are worth a read IMHO:
Badger - I have a 10y/o boy with an active 10y/o boys imagination - especially about guns. I can’t tell you how many times in Washington state he crossed lines with the school. Enough to know and hear from teachers, principles and special education teachers exactly what this teacher speaks of.

So many parents today are so out of touch with their kids. And those that have to have the occasional parent teacher conference throw a hissy fit that they are being pulled away from their day time TV program because the school isn’t raising their kids for them. I got thanked so many times for knowing and being interested in my kids issues that it was kind of embarrassing - although I’ll never be embarrassed because of my kid.

Since we moved to Texas and he started in a new school with vastly improved ethical standards and student teacher relationships all the problems of being a boy have vanished. He is thriving now where before it just wasn’t good to be the son of a soldier or law man.

My ‘sig line’ has always been “have no regrets” I have many regrets that the liberals in Washington had a negative impact on my son in his early years. It was a good school if compared to horrible schools but it was still a poisonous environment.

Come to think of it...all or most of these issues are a somewhat modern events that started with the election and presidency of Bill Clinton and the ethical laps that followed.

I’ve said before, that before the 1994 AWB the AR-15 was an unpopular and expensive (even at $500) weapon that didn’t garner the interest of most. The Democrats made it popular by trying to ban it.

Was it all just a devious master plan?

Is the ‘deep state’ so insidious at the FBI/DOJ that Waco, Ruby Ridge, Columbine, Benghazi - 9/11 is all part of a master plan...?

When the investigation gets completed will we ever know just how much the FBI knew before Majorie Stoneman HS made headlines?

Yes, I can see how the tin foil hat looks.
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