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Old 11-16-2017, 10:59   #16
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Is the west even as relevant in Africa as it once was?

On my visits I noticed a scary number of inbound/outbound flights to China.

Considering Mugabe's ZANLA was directly supported by China and won, and the naive west and the Soviet Union's ZIPRA lost, I'd be thinking what happens in Beijing would be more relevant in Harare than what happens in Washington DC.

I heard from a couple Rhodesian/Zimbabweans that a big chunk of Zim's fertile land is run by Chinese outfits.

Maybe the next generation of "war veterans" who were born after the war will go after Chinese economic targets since the white and western interests are largely gone or already confiscated.
So you're saying that Africa can start blaming all their problems on yellow people instead of white people?
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:00   #17
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So you're saying that Africa can start blaming all their problems on yellow people instead of white people?
Only if it allows for the opportunity to project guilt for profit.

I think the biggest difference between western and eastern colonialism is eastern colonialism from China results in very large numbers of Chinese on the ground permanently, particularly in Africa.

Ive seen what can happen in the South West Pacific when the locals get angry enough(rightly or wrongly) at the Chinese community, they burn it to the ground. My first deployment a decade+ ago was to deal with the consequences of exactly that.
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Old 11-17-2017, 13:17   #18
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In the time of the "struggle" for majority rule, China has been deeply disappointed by Africa.
First came the TANZAM railway line that was built by the Chinese in the 70's to transport copper from Zambia to Dar es Salaam and bypass Rhodesia and South Africa which were the original countries of passage and export ports.
The line was never maintained and ran only for a few months before it fell into terminal disrepair. Meanwhile, the Zambians were nationalizing their copper mines and turning them into unproductive holes in the ground.
There were many other Chinese investments that went sour after that, so the Chinese stopped African investment unless they could use their own people to build and run the projects. They seem mainly involved in agriculture now on the presumption that they can cope with drought and pests themselves, but the locals cant break the lands.

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Is the west even as relevant in Africa as it once was?

On my visits I noticed a scary number of inbound/outbound flights to China.

Considering Mugabe's ZANLA was directly supported by China and won, and the naive west and the Soviet Union's ZIPRA lost, I'd be thinking what happens in Beijing would be more relevant in Harare than what happens in Washington DC.

I heard from a couple Rhodesian/Zimbabweans that a big chunk of Zim's fertile land is run by Chinese outfits.

Maybe the next generation of "war veterans" who were born after the war will go after Chinese economic targets since the white and western interests are largely gone or already confiscated.
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Old 11-17-2017, 22:29   #19
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The Military watched their CO be relieved by his B!&Ch wife and then was taken a-back when she had the Vice President sacked too.
Two weeks ago, Second in Command took a trip to china, comes back, and isolated the Presidential Compound.

If that know nothing woman could remove those that were responsible for the very "Revolution" that gave them the power they had, no promises for the future for them.'


Ergo, they remove Her and Him. Mugabe will be fired by Paraliment next week early.

Vice President will rule until fake elections that will come whenever.

And that is the nut-roll.
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