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Old 09-26-2017, 15:00   #16
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2Lt Spenser Rapone, punk boy is about to have a life lesson

This punk is about to find out that Mother Army does not like communists. I can already see his career dissipation light is lit in the corner of his eye.


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Freedom of speech, while defended by the American military is not practiced by the American military. Especially not in uniform. (Unless you’re a LGBTUYSE, then all bets are off.)
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Old 09-26-2017, 15:01   #17
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Man, that smoke hit the spot. No desire whatsoever to get into 8th grade civics discussion. Squid, that graduate school is obviously doing you some good - so you also know that there are other reasonable limitations on first amendment expression other than "fighting words." I'm referring to expression limited by various time, place and manner, exceptions, etc. But, enough of that. These displays aren't really free speech controversies. The assholes generally have the right to be assholes...but Box is correct - it is not unlimited.

However, maybe others can help with the following: is displaying communist leanings and approval while in a US military uniform a legitimate character and clearance issue? Has the young man violated uniform or other standards applicable to his position? As an employee, are speech rights unlimited and without consequence?

There are probably loads of other lines of inquiry worthy of consideration - but - just 'cause you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Now, GD Commies and Commie sympathizers get off my lawn !
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Old 09-26-2017, 15:04   #18
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This punk is about to find out that Mother Army does not like communists. I can already see his career dissipation light is lit in the corner of his eye.


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Freedom of speech, while defended by the American military is not practiced by the American military. Especially not in uniform. (Unless you’re a LGBTUYSE, then all bets are off.)
My comments were in reference to the parallels drawn between this guy and the recent NFL protests.

This guy is subject to the UCMJ and the judgment of his chain of command, no doubt. I'm not attempting to defend him.
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Old 09-26-2017, 15:11   #19
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Man, that smoke hit the spot. No desire whatsoever to get into 8th grade civics discussion. Squid, that graduate school is obviously doing you some good - so you also know that there are other reasonable limitations on first amendment expression other than "fighting words." I'm referring to expression limited by various time, place and manner, exceptions, etc. But, enough of that. These displays aren't really free speech controversies. The assholes generally have the right to be assholes...but Box is correct - it is not unlimited.
I'm well aware of the limitations to the first amendment.

Condescend to somebody else. I'm only able to go to graduate school because I raised my right hand, whereas you have not. I'm a subordinate to the SF Soldiers on an SF forum, and I'm only here because they allow it, but I certainly won't take shit off of somebody who doesn't have a day of military service to speak of.
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I'm well aware of the limitations to the first amendment.

Condescend to somebody else. I'm only able to go to graduate school because I raised my right hand, whereas you have not. I'm a subordinate to the SF Soldiers on an SF forum, and I'm only here because they allow it, but I certainly won't take shit off of somebody who doesn't have a day of military service to speak of.
Neither of us should or will take shit. Have a nice day.
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Old 09-26-2017, 15:16   #21
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I'm well aware of the limitations to the first amendment.

Condescend to somebody else. I'm only able to go to graduate school because I raised my right hand, whereas you have not. I'm a subordinate to the SF Soldiers on an SF forum, and I'm only here because they allow it, but I certainly won't take shit off of somebody who doesn't have a day of military service to speak of.
LOL, who do you think we defend? And who do you think gives us our marching orders?
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LOL, who do you think we defend? And who do you think gives us our marching orders?
The Secretary of Defense and POTUS, who is elected by the American public, of which we are a part.
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The Secretary of Defense and POTUS, who is elected by the American public, of which we are a part.
Nice answer, you have a future career in politics or law.
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Nice answer, you have a future career in politics or law.
There's a difference (now days)?

Now this asshat needs some smoke, and the good/funny thing is he brought it on himself? Ranger poser too?
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It would sure be a shame for those photos to fall into the hands of the investigators the next time he is up for a background investigation.

He appears to be confused about which side he should be on.

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It would sure be a shame for those photos to fall into the hands of the investigators the next time he is up for a background investigation.

He appears to be confused about which side he should be on.

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How can a new 2nd Lt get any clearance with a paper trail like this??

I can remember my parents calling me while I was in OCS asking what I was up to. They were real concerned that 2 FBI agents were visiting all the neighbors asking about me.
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Old 09-26-2017, 19:35   #27
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The first amendment wasn't put in place so we could all agree with each other.
IMO you surrender the rite when you openly wear Che Guevera shirts a sworn enemy of the United States which we sponsored and took part in the hunt to rid him off the earth and stand for ideals that opposes the oath to the constitution while in uniform.....a civilian has the rite to free speech they also have the rite to reap the repercussions you see in a free country citizens actually do have a choice as Officers he has sworn an oath....ironically the oath was to the constitution that was put in place to protect the people from tyranny such as dictatorships like communism.....the question that must be asked is he willing to support the constitution and defense against all enemies foreign and domestic or is he willing to undermine the tenants of the constitution he took an oath to. Is he enemy domestic??? does he support N. Korea or China in its communistic views?? and does he understand economics well enough to know that China's economy is built on Europe and mostly the American economies the free market loving capitalistic pigs we are. The problem with the young officers leading the smaller units is their immaturity and lack of life experience in the real world....I can't stand the starry eyed idealism of these young enthusiastic O's and you hear more and more of these young O's supporting these radical and idiotic Bernie Sanders types....not because they aren't educated enough to know they are usually at the age where reason hasn't taken hold yet. And its these young people that the Libtards prey upon because of their biological development has fully developed their executive function in their brains they are vulnerable to irrational ideas but eventually they grow up.
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IMO you surrender the rite when you openly wear Che Guevera shirts a sworn enemy of the United States which we sponsored and took part in the hunt to rid him off the earth and stand for ideals that opposes the oath to the constitution while in uniform.....a civilian has the rite to free speech they also have the rite to reap the repercussions you see in a free country citizens actually do have a choice as Officers he has sworn an oath....ironically the oath was to the constitution that was put in place to protect the people from tyranny such as dictatorships like communism.....the question that must be asked is he willing to support the constitution and defense against all enemies foreign and domestic or is he willing to undermine the tenants of the constitution he took an oath to. Is he enemy domestic??? does he support N. Korea or China in its communistic views?? and does he understand economics well enough to know that China's economy is built on Europe and mostly the American economies the free market loving capitalistic pigs we are. The problem with the young officers leading the smaller units is their immaturity and lack of life experience in the real world....I can't stand the starry eyed idealism of these young enthusiastic O's and you hear more and more of these young O's supporting these radical and idiotic Bernie Sanders types....not because they aren't educated enough to know they are usually at the age where reason hasn't taken hold yet. And its these young people that the Libtards prey upon because of their biological development has fully developed their executive function in their brains they are vulnerable to irrational ideas but eventually they grow up.
Well said Sir........
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Very well said WD!!!!
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I often disagree with people on this website but in this instance I think we should all be able to accept that the normalization of socialist and communist principles has led us down a dark and possibly untenable path.

Just today the New York Times published an opinion article claiming Chinese women actually benefited from the communist revolution. Their tweet of the article said it helped them to "dream big." What the eff does that even mean? It surely doesn't include dreams of having a daughter or eating a full meal.

Over 100,000,000 million dead and counting from communism but academia, the media, and the political elite embrace and protect it.
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