Go Back   Professional Soldiers ® > TMC 14 > Vital Signs

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-08-2013, 13:47   #1
Snaquebite
Area Commander
 
Snaquebite's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Raeford, NC
Posts: 3,374
USASOC - Breaking the Stigma .

PTSD Video - EXCELLENT
http://www.*******.com/watch?v=yEWHdF6FBHY
__________________
D-3129 Life

"If one day you decide to know yourself...you'll have to choose the warrior path...You'll reach the darkness of your spirit.... Then, if you overcome your fears....You will know who you are."

"De Oppresso Liber"

Last edited by Snaquebite; 04-08-2013 at 14:37.
Snaquebite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 14:32   #2
Surgicalcric
Quiet Professional
 
Surgicalcric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wherever my ruck finds itself
Posts: 2,972
Amazing vid.

Thanks George; I needed that.
__________________
"It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

"Its not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me" -Batman

"There are no obstacles, only opportunities for excellence."- NousDefionsDoc
Surgicalcric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 14:32   #3
ECUPirate09
Asset
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Europe, mostly
Posts: 57
Dr. Moyer

Dr. Moyer showed us the video the day before the program started. It was impressive to me (fwiw - not much).

I was curious how it was received by the troops and if it will be effective for the future SF/SOF personnel?
__________________
"I wonder how many people are catastrophically uninspired by Americas elected leaders." - Billy L-Bach
ECUPirate09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 14:42   #4
Snaquebite
Area Commander
 
Snaquebite's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Raeford, NC
Posts: 3,374
Quote:
Originally Posted by ECUPirate09 View Post
Dr. Moyer showed us the video the day before the program started. It was impressive to me (fwiw - not much).

I was curious how it was received by the troops and if it will be effective for the future SF/SOF personnel?
Read the post before yours...'Nuff said IMHO.
__________________
D-3129 Life

"If one day you decide to know yourself...you'll have to choose the warrior path...You'll reach the darkness of your spirit.... Then, if you overcome your fears....You will know who you are."

"De Oppresso Liber"
Snaquebite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 15:03   #5
BryanK
Guerrilla Chief
 
BryanK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: VA
Posts: 855
Great video/lesson. I am not, and have never served in an SOF unit, but I did deploy, and I did/do have some issues afterward. Call me a bitch, pussy whatever, but I sought help after I ETS'd. I never saw combat. My day was filled with boring BS fixing guns for the fine warriors that tread outside the wire daily to ensure OUR safety. My particular issue was/is with panic attacks. Apparently it's genetic, but it decided to show it's horrid face when we got mortared/rocketed one particular time. Bad time to have one as I'm sure anyone who has ever experienced one will know.

They got more frequent after I returned home and found myself in a situation where crowds were involved (walmart, grocery store, etc.). My wife had enough, and I had enough, so I went to the VA. The gentleman in the video was right. There are more doc's waiting to help you than there is Soldiers to see. I sought treatment, and it does help. I cannot imagine being in the shoes of an SOF let alone SF Soldier who has been in rotation after rotation, mission after mission. There HAS to be some side effect. I will continue to pray for you all, and if you feel something isn't right, just get 'er checked out. Can't hurt.
__________________
"1000 days of evasion are better than one day in captivity"

"Too many men work on parts of things. Doing a job to completion, satisfies me."- Richard Proenneke
BryanK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 18:03   #6
voxtel
Asset
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DC
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanK View Post
Great video/lesson. I am not, and have never served in an SOF unit, but I did deploy, and I did/do have some issues afterward. Call me a bitch, pussy whatever, but I sought help after I ETS'd. I never saw combat. My day was filled with boring BS fixing guns for the fine warriors that tread outside the wire daily to ensure OUR safety. My particular issue was/is with panic attacks. Apparently it's genetic, but it decided to show it's horrid face when we got mortared/rocketed one particular time. Bad time to have one as I'm sure anyone who has ever experienced one will know.

They got more frequent after I returned home and found myself in a situation where crowds were involved (walmart, grocery store, etc.). My wife had enough, and I had enough, so I went to the VA. The gentleman in the video was right. There are more doc's waiting to help you than there is Soldiers to see. I sought treatment, and it does help. I cannot imagine being in the shoes of an SOF let alone SF Soldier who has been in rotation after rotation, mission after mission. There HAS to be some side effect. I will continue to pray for you all, and if you feel something isn't right, just get 'er checked out. Can't hurt.
Nobody in their right mind would call you a pussy for seeking help. Especially not if they've ever taken indirect themselves.

I know how you feel bro. As a matter of fact I'm a former weapons tech (45B1P/91F) myself. I had an easy tour in '07 and saw very little action. My upcoming tour is of a slight concern though. I've reclassed into a job that puts me a bit closer to the two-way range and I have absolutely no experience with CQB.

I've known some hard pipe-hittin' dudes come home changed. I'm glad that the Army is finally doing something about PTSD. They finally removed the PTSD-related questions from SF-86.

The hardest part would be to steer the perception within the SOF units. I imagine the ultra-predatory alphas with no self-pity or tolerance for weakness (the type of character that usually makes it past all of the selections and assessments) may start viewing the psychological scarring as a badge of honor, as it has happened many times throughout history. (Remember the revered thousand-yard stare in the USMC?)
__________________
V/r
Voxtel.
voxtel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2013, 07:24   #7
Surgicalcric
Quiet Professional
 
Surgicalcric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wherever my ruck finds itself
Posts: 2,972
Quote:
Originally Posted by voxtel View Post
<<SNIP>>
So much guessing in that post I dont know where to start.

Suffice to say, you should consider sticking to subject matters you have some experience in. What makes us tick isnt one of those topics regardless of how many pipe-hitters you know. Until you have made it past A selection you have no idea whats involved or the type of character that gets selected.

Also, CQB experience isn't necessary to exchange lead on the two way range and the vast majority of combat in Astan isn't up close and personal.

Questions?
__________________
"It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

"Its not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me" -Batman

"There are no obstacles, only opportunities for excellence."- NousDefionsDoc

Last edited by Surgicalcric; 04-10-2013 at 07:30.
Surgicalcric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2013, 07:38   #8
JJ_BPK
Quiet Professional
 
JJ_BPK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: NOVA
Posts: 10,075
Thanks George,, Will share..
__________________
Go raibh tú leathuair ar Neamh sula mbeadh a fhios ag an diabhal go bhfuil tú marbh

"May you be a half hour in heaven before the devil knows you’re dead"
JJ_BPK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2013, 14:28   #9
voxtel
Asset
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DC
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Surgicalcric View Post
Questions?
Nope. Shall exercise the given guidance in future posts.
__________________
V/r
Voxtel.
voxtel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2013, 15:51   #10
PRB
Quiet Professional
 
PRB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,688
I appreciate this Command emphasis.
I have always been not so accepting of PTSD because I've met so many gaming the system (mostly non combat vets serving one tour)...and may have contributed to the fear some have of really addressing an issue.
I hope that nothing I've written or said neg impacted someone that had a real issue.
IOTW I've changed my tune.
PRB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2019, 19:24   #11
Badger52
Area Commander
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Western WI
Posts: 4,767
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaquebite View Post
Thank you for posting this (found while going down another rabbit trail).

It has helped me understand a couple other things about daughter's diagnosis and reinforces what's needed of me. (Didn't intend to just bump this to the top but maybe it's not a bad thing.)

Many thanks.
__________________
"Civil Wars don't start when a few guys hunt down a specific bastard. Civil Wars start when many guys hunt down the nearest bastards."

The coin paid to enforce words on parchment is blood; tyrants will not be stopped with anything less dear. - QP Peregrino
Badger52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2019, 06:51   #12
Trapper John
Quiet Professional
 
Trapper John's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Posts: 3,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by Surgicalcric View Post
So much guessing in that post I dont know where to start.

Suffice to say, you should consider sticking to subject matters you have some experience in. What makes us tick isnt one of those topics regardless of how many pipe-hitters you know. Until you have made it past A selection you have no idea whats involved or the type of character that gets selected.

Also, CQB experience isn't necessary to exchange lead on the two way range and the vast majority of combat in Astan isn't up close and personal.

Questions?
Thank you for posting this reply Brother! You are much more polite than I was about to be!
__________________
Honor Above All Else
Trapper John is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2019, 12:46   #13
Flagg
Area Commander
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 1,261
Great video.

I’ll be sharing it within our own community.

While I believe culture and support is improving around those suffering from and diagnosed with PTSI/D, there’s still considerable room for improvement.

One area I’m particularly interested in would be proactive and preventative measures focused on low level mental injury and wellness.

Probably because I had a few weird minor incidents after my final trip to Afghan best described as involuntary hyperventilating only occurring at home.

While working on projects to enhance physical and mental performance, I look forward to seeing the future of the “agoge” incorporate foundational as well as ongoing “mental gym” best practises to support our service people.

I’ve met with a professor at Stanford, Jeff Pfeffers who has recently written a book called “Dying for a Paycheck.”

It’s a fascinating data driven study of how more people die from workplace stress than smoking, obesity, and excessive alcohol drinking.

Serving in the military comes with inherent increased physical injury for many, but we can do better to inoculate against mental injury.
Flagg is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:44.



Copyright 2004-2019 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies