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Old 08-08-2019, 11:38   #31
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What will SF bring to the fight in the future?

So fellow SF comrades what will SF bring to the future fight besides cultural awareness and language skills? The SABs will work on those skills and JSOC is now doing Assist Advise and Accompany missions. So what will SF bring to the fight? We also have MARSOC taking our missions. What will set SF apart so it will not go away?
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Old 08-08-2019, 17:47   #32
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What will set SF apart so it will not go away?

Success.
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Old 08-08-2019, 20:13   #33
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lol...uh, don't worry...someone will have to clean up their mess and....there are many MTT's that are so basic we do not need to be involved.....and, this is not new really....MACV.....

What SF guy hasn't run on the MATTA mile thru the woods on smoke bomb hill.

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Old 08-09-2019, 06:44   #34
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Success

Please define?
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:39   #35
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Please define?
success[ suhk-ses ]

noun
1. the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors; the accomplishment of one's goals.
2. the attainment of wealth, position, honors, or the like.
3. a performance or achievement that is marked by success, as by the attainment of honors:
The play was an instant success.
4. a person or thing that has had success, as measured by attainment of goals, wealth, etc.:
She was a great success on the talk show.
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Old 08-09-2019, 18:47   #36
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Before I was a fuzzy green hat, I worked as a security contractor overseas. I worked with guys from all kinds of SOF and non-SOF backgrounds. What I noticed about former SF guys was that they had a knack for making things work regardless of support and/or assets. I didn't see that as much from others despite often being squared away hard chargers.

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Old 08-09-2019, 20:06   #37
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Before I was a fuzzy green hat, I worked as a security contractor overseas. I worked with guys from all kinds of SOF and non-SOF backgrounds. What I noticed about former SF guys was that they had a knack for making things work regardless of support and/or assets. I didn't see that as much from others despite often being squared away hard chargers.

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That’s what has always made us different. In my current job they are always wondering how i did this or that.....
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Old 08-09-2019, 21:40   #38
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That’s what has always made us different. In my current job they are always wondering how i did this or that.....
As a Co SGM I never had to define the minimum standard...I had to articulate the limit of advance...
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Old 08-09-2019, 21:44   #39
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Simple - Those who have a job or a career can't raise to the level of those who have a calling.

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Old 08-10-2019, 19:54   #40
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Professional traits

These are all professional traits that any well lead unit can develop.

What unique skills, skill sets does SF have currently and will develop in the future to set us apart and keep SF around. Language and cultural awareness can be learned.

Remember the Army chopped a lot of SF post-Vietnam.
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Old 08-10-2019, 21:08   #41
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These are all professional traits that any well lead unit can develop.

What unique skills, skill sets does SF have currently and will develop in the future to set us apart and keep SF around. Language and cultural awareness can be learned.

Remember the Army chopped a lot of SF post-Vietnam.
Dude, any skill can be learned. Your angling towards an argument that says brain surgeons are doomed to extinction because anyone can learn brain surgery.

Of course language, cultural skills, small unit tactics, perseverance, tactical aptitude, can all be learned. Of course there are other people in the army that are great leaders, or have the right combination of attributes. Of course the army could screen people for these traits, combine them into units, and teach them the afore mentioned skills..... of course, it’s already done that..... why they would want to begin again is an enigma to me, and no one is suggesting that they do.

You’ve got kind of a weird angle here.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:23   #42
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Simple - Those who have a job or a career can't raise to the level of those who have a calling.

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That was exceptionally well said...think I'll steal it.
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I too am going to "appropriate" that statement.

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Old 08-17-2019, 11:27   #44
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These are all professional traits that any well lead unit can develop.

What unique skills, skill sets does SF have currently and will develop in the future to set us apart and keep SF around. Language and cultural awareness can be learned.

Remember the Army chopped a lot of SF post-Vietnam.
I agree skills can be taught and learned by anyone given enough time but I disagree that the inclination or breeding to this line of work is common it is not common tried and true.

But what we are doing right now as SF teams for the most part can be emulated by big Army especially when we are teaching big Army skills they are masters at....we as an SF unit has to remember that we are doing this so that we can develop a loose potential for guerilla fighters from those we have developed relationships with....at the end of the day our SA in any country is contingent on us being there and knowing what we have to work with.....remember Russell Volkman, Blackburn and Fertig amongst other cadre were doing nation building in the Phillipines prior to WW2 and once they were left behind for 3 years it was some of the same Filipinos that became the resistance force...it should be a template for every FID mission to understand what we are doing
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