Old 07-09-2019, 19:48   #1
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blankets

for those of you that have worked in the jungle, where it can be kind of cold at night, what sort of blanket do you use? I have always used a flannel sheet, but doesn't pack down very good. my son is 1st group, Okinawa, to tell you about me
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:29   #2
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The Army issue poncho liner (Woobie!) is the greatest invention ever. I've used it in the jungle, the desert, the forest, the mountains, the swamp, pretty much every environment. If it wasn't cold enough for a sleeping bag or the mission requirement meant packing lighter, the poncho liner was the key. Also, if you need a little more protection than the poncho liner alone, you can wrap the poncho around as an outside layer and it works just as well as the medium sleeping bag.

I've been out for 6 years and there is still a poncho liner within arms reach of the bed and one in the go bag.
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Old 07-10-2019, 16:02   #3
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Poncho Liner.

Light weight and dries fast; Does the job.
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Old 07-11-2019, 05:52   #4
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I still have the two I used in Nam 1970.
Now saved for the G-Kids

I slept in an NVA canvas hammock, one over, the other under.
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Old 07-11-2019, 20:09   #5
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Good insight:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/taskand...r-fielded/amp/

Remarkable how long the US Poncho and Poncho Liner have been in service with little change other than materials. These are pieces for dirt, mud, rain, snow and wind this and some moca pulled out of the ruck for a few hours during the dark of night...bad weather, heavy loads begins to put the pieces into perspective.

You mentioned jungle, a challenging environment to be a foot in. Higher rain fall and humidity with greater frequency, storms, stagnant air circulation, heavy dew, wet ground, mud, elevation changes are some of the environmental concerns. Besides warmth, I think moisture and wetness are big factors in comfort and health.

Sacrilege, I known but materials have changed, light weight insulation today can absorb far less moisture due to very hydrophobic materials, the micro filaments along with structure and construction can create clo ratings nearly as warm when wet. Resistances within the “blanket” when differed can vector moisture out and away efficiently, protect exterior to a greater extent and maintain the breath ability we associate with comfort. Now that same system with a warm body inside is protecting you from the environments ( potentially hot weather as well) and drying you, your equipment and mind out more effectively.

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Well, your opinion is pretty good. The similar item of yours that you showed me was about as light as a tissue but I imagine it was at least the equal of a PL in comfort.
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PSM hope you and yours are well! I remember that, 1,750,000 of us invaded Wyoming................and all of us drove separate cars

I can assure you that liner has held up better than the vehicle

To answer, the 4oz Primaloft Gold is about 4 times thicker than the polyester insulation inside the issued liner. Gold aka Fusion was codeveloped with the military, It wicks more efficiently than the insulation inside the issued liner as the development concept was that it be as light as down but mitigate moisture issues... it comes close in the weight and far exceeds its ability to insulate when wet...as many here know.

I fondly remember the issue system and recently packed a stash BOB (Alice) with all the original kit I had been issued... even a uniform from basic/AIT circa Late 80s .... but there was still room for our liner and Shell.

Stay cool down there!
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I still have my woobie(s). Usually, two sewn together for an all-season sleep kit. And as you all will recall, I ventured into the woobie smoking jackets a while back. I've since moved on to my own design. No woobies were harmed or desecrated in the creation of my new concept. I use 3 separate layers to make these. This baby is currently lined with 2.5 oz APEX Climashield. With nothing more than a T-shirt on in a snow storm last winter, it was relatively light and extremely warm. And yes, that hood is a modular attachment.

However, looking at my source for materials, they're out of APEX so I may have to look at Primaloft for future projects.
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I still have my woobie(s). I use 3 separate layers to make these. This baby is currently lined with 2.5 oz APEX Climashield.. With nothing more than a T-shirt on in a snow storm last winter, it was relatively light and extremely warm. And yes, that hood is a modular attachment.
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I still have my woobie(s). Usually, two sewn together for an all-season sleep kit. And as you all will recall, I ventured into the woobie smoking jackets a while back. I've since moved on to my own design. No woobies were harmed or desecrated in the creation of my new concept. I use 3 separate layers to make these. This baby is currently lined with 2.5 oz APEX Climashield. With nothing more than a T-shirt on in a snow storm last winter, it was relatively light and extremely warm. And yes, that hood is a modular attachment.

However, looking at my source for materials, they're out of APEX so I may have to look at Primaloft for future projects.
Are you still building those smoking jackets? Some of the team guys I work with expressed interest for their deployments.

I’m sure your familiar with Beyond Expedition Clothing https://beyondclothing.com/
Talking with Rick I found it interesting they use both Climashield (Apex) and a primaloft insulation ( I think on their cold weather kit). We started with Climashield (Combat ) but found the Primaloft was better for what we are doing.
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