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Old 03-20-2017, 11:47   #31
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What other nation on this planet denies its own laws and chooses to allow millions of people (a large percentage of which are felons) to illegally invade and occupy lands, collect large amounts of benefits, and the natives assist them in that, while LE is denied the option of incarcerating and deporting them?

Most don't even want to be Americans. They just want the benefits this nation offers.

I don't think any other nation would even contemplate this insanity.

If you want to immigrate and become an American, fine, there is a legal process, follow it and I have no objections.

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Cannot agree more.....If you actually want to immigrate to the US, then you should abide by the law and do it legally. And why would someone keep renewing a green card for 17 years and is unwilling to become a citizen? Either you have something to hide (and do not think that you will be caught) or you may just want to reap the benefits without contributing your fair share. The Immigration problem has no easy fix. Both sides of the aisle in Washington would rather bite and scratch each others eyes out then work together to offer any acceptable resolution. The Left would rather let illegals run a muck without retribution, and the Right just wants to piss off the Democrats. Laws are laws, and we have them in place for a reason.

You cannot just bypass a law and let everyone come into this country. After all, it effects us all as citizens. The burden is on our backs because we have to support people who are here illegally, and it is not fair to those who come here and follow the rules to obtain citizenship the right way. Why is it so hard for Politicians to allow LE agencies to enforce the Law and do their sworn duty? It's not, it is because the Democrats, and the Media don't really give a rat's ass. Spin the tale, and the Left will continue to try to re-write the laws based on their blind objectives. And the Right will continue to have no clue ......It is rather maddening.....
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:49   #32
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To all, I present this story to open a discussion for consideration to find a solution to the problem.

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There is a solution to the problem. Its called obey the law if you want to come to this country and stay.
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:45   #33
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BTW if I was POTUS a lot if the illegal stuff would be stopped real easy. When they do INS raids use the laws on the books now to throw the people that hire illegals in prison for a few years. Why do they not do that? One has to wonder.
I've often wondered about this myself. Every place I've ever worked, I had to fill out an I-9 before I even "clocked in" for the first day.

I was living on the coast when Katrina destroyed everything on the beach from Waveland to Pascagoula. It seemed like overnight, every where you looked, there were crews of Mexicans ripping off damaged roofs, and replacing them.

Then, suddenly, they were gone.

All those folks came from somewhere, worked for a business entity of some type, then disappeared. Where did they come from, where did they go, la la dit da dit cotton eyed joe.
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Then, suddenly, they were gone.

All those folks came from somewhere, worked for a business entity of some type, then disappeared. Where did they come from, where did they go, la la dit da dit cotton eyed joe.
I think they came up to Maryland and are now working for my friends Landscaping Company.....
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Old 03-20-2017, 14:27   #35
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BTW if I was POTUS a lot if the illegal stuff would be stopped real easy. When they do INS raids use the laws on the books now to throw the people that hire illegals in prison for a few years. Why do they not do that? One has to wonder.
I guarantee you that the people that hire illegals contribute some hefty sums to the RNC, the DNC and the bureaucrats of both parties.
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Old 03-20-2017, 16:25   #36
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There is a solution to the problem. Its called obey the law if you want to come to this country and stay.

Okay, I will bite. I think Chef Penn's response is in context, and has had no illicit angry intent. Again JMHO, but the attack and derogatory comments towards him personally seem a bit uncharacteristic of the decorum here in this thread...

Not to judge anyone personally, but where do we draw the line of attacking a person who is simply asking a question for which it seems to an SF soldiers response was the aim?


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Old 03-20-2017, 17:03   #37
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Okay, I will bite. I think Chef Penn's response is in context, and has had no illicit angry intent. Again JMHO, but the attack and derogatory comments towards him personally seem a bit uncharacteristic of the decorum here in this thread...

Not to judge anyone personally, but where do we draw the line of attacking a person who is simply asking a question for which it seems to an SF soldiers response was the aim?


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My intent was not meant as derogatory. He asked a simple question of there should be a process in place. What he fails to realize is even though this guy is allegedly a nice guy (I think there is more than what he knows about) the fact is he violated the law knowingly. Our justice system is clogged and broken for many reasons one being everyone in it has some excuse for their actions and do not want to be held accountable. We as a society allowed their manipulative behavior and excuses to making us believe this guy needs a system to get him out of a situation he got himself into. To be blunt that is a load of crap and people need to be held accountable for their decisions. Remember HE is the one that made the decision not to show up and do what he has been doing for 17 YEARS. No extenuation of circumstances not legit reason other than he just did not go. Since he knowingly violated the law why is it now the governments and US citizens problem that he will be deported and his family left behind? He should og thought about that BEFORE he made the decision not to go. It is HIS fault and his alone that the family is in a bad situation. Tough shit.

Now if things were different. Lets say his kid was in a terrible accident and his choice was to see his critically injured kid or make his appointment. That would be a different story. Since it is not a situation like that screw him, he made dumb ass decision that created the problem now deal with it.

BTW I still contend that there is more to the story than we on the board know about and probably even his wife. I don't buy the story after 17 years of being a productive member of society and keeping up on his visa status he just decides not to go this time. ICE shows up on his door step a couple weeks after he does not show up? Why him if he is such a good guy? I am throwing the bullshit flag on this one. When I call BS I mean that on his part not on the part of anyone on this board or his wife. I believe both have been duped buy his BS story and manipulated the people in his life. Like I said, think logically not emotionally about the situation.

Going back to my statement. We have a process for people like him. It is simple. Follow the rules and you can stay. If you do not follow the rules you get kicked out of the country. This man is not special and other countries would not allow him one of us to stay on their soil if we did someting similar .
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My intent was not meant as derogatory. He asked a simple question of there should be a process in place. What he fails to realize is even though this guy is allegedly a nice guy (I think there is more than what he knows about) the fact is he violated the law knowingly. Our justice system is clogged and broken for many reasons one being everyone in it has some excuse for their actions and do not want to be held accountable. We as a society allowed their manipulative behavior and excuses to making us believe this guy needs a system to get him out of a situation he got himself into. To be blunt that is a load of crap and people need to be held accountable for their decisions. Remember HE is the one that made the decision not to show up and do what he has been doing for 17 YEARS. No extenuation of circumstances not legit reason other than he just did not go. Since he knowingly violated the law why is it now the governments and US citizens problem that he will be deported and his family left behind? He should og thought about that BEFORE he made the decision not to go. It is HIS fault and his alone that the family is in a bad situation. Tough shit.

Now if things were different. Lets say his kid was in a terrible accident and his choice was to see his critically injured kid or make his appointment. That would be a different story. Since it is not a situation like that screw him, he made dumb ass decision that created the problem now deal with it.

BTW I still contend that there is more to the story than we on the board know about and probably even his wife. I don't buy the story after 17 years of being a productive member of society and keeping up on his visa status he just decides not to go this time. ICE shows up on his door step a couple weeks after he does not show up? Why him if he is such a good guy? I am throwing the bullshit flag on this one. When I call BS I mean that on his part not on the part of anyone on this board or his wife. I believe both have been duped buy his BS story and manipulated the people in his life. Like I said, think logically not emotionally about the situation.

Going back to my statement. We have a process for people like him. It is simple. Follow the rules and you can stay. If you do not follow the rules you get kicked out of the country. This man is not special and other countries would not allow him one of us to stay on their soil if we did someting similar .

Okay. Good to know your opinion on the subject. sir.


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Old 03-21-2017, 02:53   #39
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To be clear, nothing stated here, imo,were disparagingly personal, passionate and angry for the continuing and unresolved problem, yes.
Yet, what does bother me is the inflexibility/unwillingness to locate a possible compromise, that behavior appears an antithesis to the fundamental principles of SF.
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If Congress wanted to reduce the flow illegal aliens they would end birth right citizenship for the the children of tourist and illegal aliens.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:06   #41
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If the hypocrites that write laws made law enforcement arrest, charge, and sentence those who hire and support illegal aliens, half of our fucking elected officials in DC would suddenly be without house keepers, groundskeepers, drivers, and handymen, handywomyn, handypersonofnospecifcgender.


The prisons are already overcrowded and full of vermin.
Why would we make it worse by putting politicians in jail?

For fuck sake - having American politicians in jail with American prisoners?
...that's WAY worse punishment than having Joe Arpaio making you wear pink jump suits while living in a GPO medium and eating bologna sandwiches.
For chistsakes, if a guy murders someone, put him in prison or execute him but don't make him share space with a politician.

Even criminals deserve better than our politicians.

On a more related note...
I prefer to hold to my typical immature sarcastic opinion on matters such as immigration. Mathematically, illegal = illegal.
Two anchor babies and a belly full of good intentions doesn't make illegal=legal
If you lived here for 17 years on the weight of your work permit and a couple of anchor babies but decided that US citizenship wasn't needed, then fuck you AND your anchor babies.
Again, I'd like to apologize for being sarcastic and immature, but that would go against the rule of maturity and sarcasm.
Fuck that guy AND his progeny.
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On a more related note...
I prefer to hold to my typical immature sarcastic opinion on matters such as immigration. Mathematically, illegal = illegal.
Two anchor babies and a belly full of good intentions doesn't make illegal=legal
If you lived here for 17 years on the weight of your work permit and a couple of anchor babies but decided that US citizenship wasn't needed, then fuck you AND your anchor babies.
Again, I'd like to apologize for being sarcastic and immature, but that would go against the rule of maturity and sarcasm.
Fuck that guy AND his progeny.
LOL....And That's The Rest of The Story.......I cannot continue to work now, I can't stop laughing... ....I need to walk down the hallway....
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To be clear, nothing stated here, imo,were disparagingly personal, passionate and angry for the continuing and unresolved problem, yes.
Yet, what does bother me is the inflexibility/unwillingness to locate a possible compromise, that behavior appears an antithesis to the fundamental principles of SF.
It's not an inflexibility or unwillingness to find a solution or compromise. Our entire principal is to "Free the Oppressed" within the borders of their own country. Sometimes (rarely) that requires relocating them - even to - American soil. We have fought wars in far away Central American countries to change the political and economic situations that create the need for a population to migrate elsewhere.

Voting with your feet is a poor option to fixing internal issues like corruption and banana republics. Change starts at home.
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Voting with your feet is a poor option to fixing internal issues like corruption and banana republics. Change starts at home.
Only because we make it a viable alternative to regime change.

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Unrestricted immigration is letting the barbarian hordes invade. No culture has ever survived the experience intact. All of them (that I'm aware of) suffered a precipitous decline in QOL that lasted generations (centuries).

Reminds me of Yankees and Leftists shitting in their nests then fleeing NE/the Left Coast for someplace that hasn't been ruined with "Progressive Ideals" and bringing their politics with them - so they can repeat the cycle ad nauseam until the entire country is remade in their image and there's no place else for the rest of us to go.
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