Old 06-30-2014, 10:03   #1
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18D - your experience

Hello,

I am familiar with the basic requirements and timeline of training. In your experience, how long did it REALLY take to complete all the phase IV requirements for 18D.

I am also interested whether it is much different for NG guys.
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:38   #2
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:48   #3
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As the Commandant stated @ my Son's Graduation a couple of years ago, it takes Him longer to produce a Special Forces Soldier than it takes the Air Force to produce a Fighter Pilot!!

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Old 07-01-2014, 13:27   #4
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I was NG and went from start to finish (OSUT, Airborne, SOPC, SFAS, PLDC, SFQC II-IV, Language, SERE) in a total of 32 months, no recycles, very little waiting between phases.
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Old 07-01-2014, 18:17   #5
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Just the MOS qualification for 18D is 54 - 56 weeks.
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Old 10-10-2014, 18:41   #6
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Question

Is this accurate to injuries pertaining to gunshot wounds in combat?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...can-hit-shoot/
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Old 10-11-2014, 07:05   #7
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Really deep question Lighthouse. Here's the answer: Some kill. Some don't. All hurt.

How's that?
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Old 10-22-2014, 06:36   #8
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And the one shot stop myth keeps going...

I've had a fellow from my Bn cap a guy with a 9mm and get a one shot dead stop. This article seems to just perpetuate the myth. Stats from Vietnam make the 5.56 (which used to fragment until the green tip came around) much more effective than the 7.62x39 (which passes right through the body). You can kill with a .22 short or a .50 cal if you hit the right place. As with property, goes shooting. Location. Location. LOCATION!

By the way the author said that getting hit by a ZSU (23mm) would just make an iron-smelling cloud. Blood doesn't smell like iron, it smells like copper. I would expect a medic (never saw credentials on that article) to know that.

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Some kill. Some don't. All hurt.
Pretty much covers it. That's why you shoot until your target goes down, then add a few more for GP. Repeat as needed.
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Old 10-22-2014, 06:52   #9
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The vast majority of engagements with that weapon, however, were within half that distance and patients usually took several hits.
I would think that people you are trying to save are patients and people that you are trying to kill are targets.

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As an aside, Chris Kyle (FWFS, brother) was a friend of mine, and while not so patiently listening to one of my Crown-induced rants on the 5.56 NATO, he suggested that it was not caliber I hated, but the bullet. He told me to load up the case as fast as I could, push a 64 grain or heavier soft point round and see what happens.
This actually annoys me and indicates that he can't be as experienced as he claims. It is incredibly old news such that it should be fairly common knowledge that commercial hunting rounds perform very differently (better at killing living things that are not wearing armor) from issued M855.

That article is so schizophrenic, I am dismissing it completely.
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Apparently the hero medic JWT never read about LTG Boykin being hit in the torso/shoulder by a 14.5mm (.57 caliber) round and not only surviving, but staying in a SMU.
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Just the MOS qualification for 18D is 54 - 56 weeks.
Probably cause most of you are slow learners........
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Probably cause most of you are slow learners........
Thorough not slow...
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Apparently the hero medic JWT never read about LTG Boykin being hit in the torso/shoulder by a 14.5mm (.57 caliber) round and not only surviving, but staying in a SMU.
Or SFC Bill Amelung at Devens who caught more than one DsHK round and came back to teach the TI course at Devens....


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