Old 04-06-2020, 13:51   #826
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Boris is out-going, gregarious, and very social
and QE II is still pissed he won the election.
I wonder if she sent Charley to visit #10?

Sort of a biological Fire Ship
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Old 04-06-2020, 16:54   #827
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Sort of a biological Fire Ship
Cheers for that.

Modern applications for recycling the fire ship concept are...considerable.
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Old 04-07-2020, 09:18   #828
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More news on possible medicines that show promise.

We used Ivermectin all the time on the kids.
Wondering if using it builds up immunities?


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What Is Ivermectin? Head Lice Drug Appears to Stop Coronavirus—Here's What You Need to Know

Researchers testing the head lice drug Ivermectin as a possible treatment for COVID-19 have seen promising results in lab studies.

But the research is in its early stages and the drug is yet to be tested on people with COVID-19.

There's so much we don't know, including the right dose and delivery method for people with coronavirus infection.

https://www.newsweek.com/ivermectin-...avirus-1496496
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Old 04-07-2020, 11:11   #829
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More news on possible medicines that show promise.
There are various anecdotal reports of that working as an anti-viral. One guy had it prescribed by his vet for his dog, with the off-the-record vet comment that it was technically "off label use" because normally used for livestock.

Another guy ("who has reported credibly in the past") had taken it before for an unrelated viral thing. Cured, no ill effects, other than being parked on the commode for awhile because, as he said, "it kills everything." So grab some good Wisconsin cheese curds and probiotics etc and replace the natural flora in your gut.

Recipients of the Big Pharma bak-sheesh will parrot the "not invented in my office with clinical trials" syndrome. I think of it as the Monty syndrome. First make a tidy battlefield and then we'll discuss when/where to move forward.
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Old 04-07-2020, 13:43   #830
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Bill Gates funding Vaccine for Corona-V
With the Chinese??


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A small Pennsylvania biotech company is planning to start injecting healthy volunteers with a potential coronavirus vaccine, after receiving regulatory clearance to start clinical testing.

Researchers plan to dose the first person Monday. The experimental vaccine was developed by Inovio Pharmaceuticals, with the effort receiving funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...ay/ar-BB12e01f

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Agreement will facilitate clinical trial translations in China

PLYMOUTH MEETING, Pa., Jan. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- Inovio Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (NASDAQ: INO) today announced that it is collaborating with Beijing Advaccine Biotechnology Co. to advance the development in China of INO-4800,

Inovio's vaccine against the recently emerged strain of coronavirus (2019-nCoV) that has killed numerous people and infected thousands more in China to date. Inovio recently announced that it is developing INO-4800 through Phase 1 human testing in the U.S. to evaluate safety and immunogenicity with the support of an initial grant up to $9 million from the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI).

Inovio plans to rapidly develop INO-4800 against the new coronavirus and has already started preclinical testing and preparations for clinical product manufacturing. The goal of this collaboration is to leverage Advaccine's expertise to run a Phase 1 trial in China in parallel with Inovio's clinical development efforts in the U.S. Inovio and Advaccine will also work together to attract additional grant funding and further collaborations with larger vaccine companies in China to increase the speed of future testing of INO-4800.

Dr. J. Joseph Kim, Inovio's President & CEO, said, "Our collaboration with Beijing Advaccine and its Founder, Emeritus Professor Bin Wang from the prestigious Fudan University and China's premier DNA vaccine expert, will tremendously accelerate our coronavirus vaccine INO-4800 development in China because of its expertise and experience with regulatory authorities and clinical trial management. This collaboration allows us to enter China and deliver our vaccine into the areas where they need it most as soon as possible. Our shared goal is to utilize both company's expertise in developing vaccines for emerging infectious diseases and hopefully achieve an accelerated regulatory approval for INO-4800."

Inovio's participation in this developing effort is based on the ideal suitability of its DNA medicine platform to rapidly develop vaccines against emerging viruses with pandemic potential, proven vaccine development capabilities, and a strong track record of rapidly generating promising countermeasures against previous pandemic threats. Inovio was the first to advance its vaccine (INO-4700) against MERS-CoV, a related coronavirus, into evaluation in humans. Inovio is currently preparing to initiate a Phase 2 trial for INO-4700 in the Middle East where most MERS viral outbreaks have occurred. Those efforts are supported by CEPI funding and partnership.

http://ir.inovio.com/news-and-media/...a/default.aspx
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Old 04-07-2020, 20:36   #831
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Immune enhancement / antibody-dependent enhancement: the vaccine nightmare that keeps researchers up at night. 75% of the steps to vaccine development can be shortcut but not this last piece. Somebody said, “If the Chinese want to risk it, more power to ‘em.”

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../27/2005456117
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Old 04-08-2020, 13:35   #832
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I'm just wondering how many old school drugs will be effective on this virus - and then find out they would have been effective against other SARS/MERS type stuff?

But they were never looked at because there is no money in old drugs.

Could be something...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/plasma-tr...213100838.html

As patients with COVID-19 continue pouring into emergency departments and intensive care units across the nation, an old treatment that has been adapted for a new disease is being tested in New York.
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They first did this with the 1918 flu.
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Old 04-09-2020, 08:55   #834
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They first did this with the 1918 flu.
Actually they were doing a variation for other diseases before the influenza hit.
"The Great Influenza" by John Barry is a wonderful book and the first 1/3 discusses the state of medicine in 1918 and how we got there.
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Old 04-09-2020, 14:24   #835
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This will surely piss off some liberals.

Boris Johnson out of ICU amid coronavirus battle, in 'good spirits,' spokesman says

By Adam Shaw, Stephen Sorace | Fox News

U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved out of the intensive care unit of a London hospital where he has battled coronavirus, a spokesman for the prime minister said Thursday.


“The Prime Minister has been moved this evening from intensive care back to the ward, where he will receive close monitoring during the early phase of his recovery,” the spokesman said. “He is in extremely good spirits.

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Old 04-09-2020, 14:37   #836
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This will surely piss off some liberals.

Boris Johnson out of ICU amid coronavirus battle, in 'good spirits,' spokesman says

By Adam Shaw, Stephen Sorace | Fox News

U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved out of the intensive care unit of a London hospital where he has battled coronavirus, a spokesman for the prime minister said Thursday.

More and more we are hearing of these "miraculous recoveries" by politicians and movie luminaries.

Makes me think the statisticians are working from a short deck.

Are there literally millions of people walking around in recovery mode and didn't even know they were sick?? and go completely under the radar because they just didn't get tested??
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More and more we are hearing of these "miraculous recoveries" by politicians and movie luminaries.

Makes me think the statisticians are working from a short deck.

Are there literally millions of people walking around in recovery mode and didn't even know they were sick?? and go completely under the radar because they just didn't get tested??
...I think you’re on to something...IMO, testing is critical for making (and supporting) the argument for safely opening up the country.

No doubt, celebrities and pols have access to the ‘quin and other off label treatments.
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Could be a reporting thing, maybe, kinda sorta, maybe...

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Are there literally millions of people walking around in recovery mode and didn't even know they were sick?? and go completely under the radar because they just didn't get tested??
I just submitted a couple error reports to one of the stat keeping websites and they were very grateful when I contacted them. Several contacts I've made reaching out - initially out of curiosity - reveals a likelihood that county health departments are tracking well, data goes to the state, and the state is neither reporting it on their site, nor sending it on further. The state of WI has been sitting at the first case recovery (down in the commie enclave of Madison) since it started. I just sent in data on two smaller counties I know of that have 19 documented recoveries (along with many hundreds of negative test results).

I will not speculate on motives of not publishing any of the good stuff that might keep from stampeding the herd; had a chance at Reynolds Aluminum stock while a pup and didn't bite so my hat right now is a baseball cap.
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Are there literally millions of people walking around in recovery mode and didn't even know they were sick?? and go completely under the radar because they just didn't get tested??
That's starting to be the thinking on the West Coast where Chinese citizens, visitors, and students routinely travel back and forth to China. It's possible that herd immunity has spread slowly over that last several months aided by the lack of mass-transit use, except in SF.
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There's been the stories about the bodies stacking up so high in NYC they are putting them is mass graves.

Truth? Or is it a spin from the fake news?

"Coronavirus: New York using mass graves amid outbreak"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52241221

"....The drone footage comes from Hart Island, off the Bronx in Long Island Sound, which has been used for more than 150 years by city officials as a mass burial site for those with no next-of-kin, or families who cannot afford funerals.

It is probable that many of the coffins are for coronavirus victims, but it is not clear whether they fall into the above categories.

Burial operations at the site have ramped up amid the pandemic from one day a week to five days a week, according to the Department of Corrections. ...."
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