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Old 10-11-2017, 19:44   #136
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Digging down through the comments and tweets I found a video by a KGB defector that outlined all of this in the mid-80s: Yuri Bezmenov, Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society One hour.

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Old 10-11-2017, 20:33   #137
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Forget the nose...the subversive's head is in the tent...what could be the harm?
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Old 10-11-2017, 22:26   #138
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Forget the nose...the subversive's head is in the tent...what could be the harm?
I've be saying for a decade that we're past the first hump of a Bactrian camel, probably even the second.

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Old 10-11-2017, 23:06   #139
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The rest of the article is at the link above...
If this is observed elsewhere in the Army training environment or Garrison, why would it be such a stretch to take place at the service academies?

Question is how long can we as a nation endure such viral performance in our military before its affect of our capabilities of competence and defense become beyond any resilience of rapid violence, that never strikes tomorrow. There are signs we have a trend and can not look away any longer, yet the voice of leaders still screams all is well.

I spent my career in MI. Of interest I read all about the OSS through many, many books. Most the time after nearly each page I thought, WTF happened to us?

Does not apply to everyone and all of course.

Hope the kid has a wonderful effing career.

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Old 10-12-2017, 06:36   #140
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:10   #141
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Digging down through the comments and tweets I found a video by a KGB defector that outlined all of this in the mid-80s: Yuri Bezmenov, Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society One hour.

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Scarry isn't it.....look how close we were this last election after an 8 yr primer......Trump gave people a voice.....I hope he drains the military swamp as well what's funny is the O's don't seem as bad as the NCOs....but they are far from altruistic....today feels like a store with bad management neglected by corporate and the employees are giving shit away...eating stuff off the shelf...it is leaderless in way.....everyone is equal in their minds rank is a pay grade not real authority...the employees feel entitled to the fruits...but none wants to do the work to get the fruits......The LTC described the same thing we are seeing in our own unit....
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:59   #142
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I don't think Trump can fix the military or even thinks there's serious problems with it. In today's America there seems to be an unwritten rule that you cannot critize the military, lest you want to be labeled as "not supporting the troops." Trump seems to have a blind love for the military, he'd probably recognize it's issues and seriously try and reform it had he served. This is the problem and result we get when most citizens have never served. The fixes are gonna have to come from within, or at the very least an honest politician that calls out the military. Neither of those will likely ever happen, no politician would ever risk staining their public relations criticizing the troops. And the military punishes those from within that try and do the right thing and don't toe to line.

I like what John Reed proposes. We head back to the draft mindset & military where everyone has a stake in the game. The volunteer service has slowly morphed and created the careerist mentality that just give a shit about themselves, pensions and not winning wars.


Should there be a draft?
https://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-r...-should-there-

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Should there be a military draft? Absolutely.

Actually, I think a better question is whether anyone should be allowed into the military by any*other*means.

This article has changed some minds of people who were quite against the draft before they read it. Here is an email from one.

I was just reading your article on the draft and I have to say I did disagree at first but after reading it more thoroughly I was really thinking about and I would have to agree and I was discussing with some woman whose a reserve sergeant major in the army she went on about how she is still in as if she were superior to all and how you can't force people in the armed forces and it is not the obligation of every citizen to defend their nation, I did not even know what to say so I was just wondering on what you thought about it and what I should tell anyone who goes gaga over any one in uniform.

Hessel Pineda <mrwhiteshotniceguyeddie@gmail.com>

The notion that you can’t force peole in the armed forces reveals a profound lack in history knowledge for a retired sergeant major. Napoleon Bonaparte invented the draft, conquered most of Europe with his conscript army. One of the reasons he eventually lost was his enemies copied his draft idea. We also won the Civil War, World War I, and World War II with armies that were almost entirely made up of draftees. I have heard sergeants described as the backbone of the Army. Without comment on that I will add that I never heard them described as the brains of the Army.

See if you can read the article and not change your mind.

Eager to kill?

The military is about killing or seriously wounding people in large numbers. That’s a necessary evil at best. It seems to me thatvolunteering*for such activities is akin to volunteering to be the executioner at your state prison. Somebody’s gotta do it, but*no one*should be*eager*to do it. And if a person*is*eager to do it, that person is almost certainly ignorant of what it means to kill or maim others or risk being killed or maimed, or they are mentally defective.
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:50   #143
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I like what John Reed proposes.
I disagree with his premise RE forced conscription. He cherry picks results but doesn't point out that the action to conscript was HUGELY unpopular & mightily resisted by the people - both sides of the War of Northern Aggression (CSA did it first right before Lincoln) - as well as WW-I, when Wilson decided to take his new personal spiritual view of the US as the maker of Heaven right here on Earth and go all-in rather than let the Euro's fight it out.

In my mind the solution is not to pollute the pool, it's to dump some chlorine into what remains & those who want to remain. The US military should be the baddest & bravest breakers of shit around - and used judiciously. It is expensive - but it's not something to be run as either a profit-center or a sociology experiment. So because of this expense, the civ-pols need to be more reticent about where they spend it. The tick entrenchment in the DC swamp has - in my view - made them far too cavalier in what they do with this thing called the US Armed Forces. I served during both the VN draft years and watched the initial VOLAR kluge & well past - good & bad intake with both mechanisms. But neither is a solution. Standards, like for kids, right/left limits from their parents, which - ultimately - they actually end up appreciating.

But it takes an adult or 3 in the room to do that.
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Old 10-12-2017, 14:42   #144
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I guess that Duty, Honor and Country have been thrown out the window. Somewhere along the lines our nation has been fundamentally changed and I personally do not care for i one bit.
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Old 10-12-2017, 16:14   #145
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I really like the idea of a professional military, especially with the increasing need for specialised education just to try and tread water with the increasing velocity of technological change.

And a shrinking 100% volunteer force has contributed to a "caste" like class structure where the military is the most respected institution in the US, but increasingly remote and distant from the lives of most Americans with a dramatically reduced direct connection to it(declining since it's post WWII "all in" apex)

And while I think conscription has its merits, towards the end of the US experiment with selective service conscription there was the very serious issue of Mcnamara's social engineering folly.

There was also the issue of statistically relevant(even blatant) under representation from "our betters" from Ivy League institutions.

I wonder if limited conscription would be an option in the future?

The opposite of Israel. Instead of a core of professionals surrounded by the vast majority conscript perhaps a vast majority of professionals, supported by selected "impact conscripts"?

Perhaps the conscript version of "I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred $h!theads."?
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Old 10-12-2017, 16:25   #146
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Has there been any update on Dr Rasheed Hosein, LT Rapone's professor and mentor since placed on administrative leave?

His University of Chicago background is.....interesting.

As is Hosein's/Rapone's overseas trips.

Do Service Academy professors require security clearance, CI checks, and/or FDI/DOJ background checks?
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Old 10-12-2017, 18:23   #147
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I really like the idea of a professional military, especially with the increasing need for specialised education just to try and tread water with the increasing velocity of technological change.

And a shrinking 100% volunteer force has contributed to a "caste" like class structure where the military is the most respected institution in the US, but increasingly remote and distant from the lives of most Americans with a dramatically reduced direct connection to it(declining since it's post WWII "all in" apex)

And while I think conscription has its merits, towards the end of the US experiment with selective service conscription there was the very serious issue of Mcnamara's social engineering folly.

There was also the issue of statistically relevant(even blatant) under representation from "our betters" from Ivy League institutions.

I wonder if limited conscription would be an option in the future?

The opposite of Israel. Instead of a core of professionals surrounded by the vast majority conscript perhaps a vast majority of professionals, supported by selected "impact conscripts"?

Perhaps the conscript version of "I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred $h!theads."?
Well several steps have happened in a slow spiral after the coup in the 30's because the neglected damaged WW1 vets were damaged and not taken care of.....Smedley Butler came out against the military industrial complex exposing the purpose as driven by corporate needs highlighted in his book War is a Racket WW2 demonized our European and Japanese heritages....Korea was unpopular and too soon after WW2.....Eisenhower gives speech about the military industrial complex....Vietnam escalated and even then the college's were questioning our opposition to communism....the draft went away the Chicago school of economics advised the military to use marketing to attract professionals be all you can be...men weren't volunteering so woman began taking up the slack....wars got smaller and smaller highlighting the bigger shadow wars even CIA station chiefs were quitting because of senseless wars in places we had no stake but we funded and engineered it....the Iran Contra scandal exposed secretive corruption and dishonesty and gave insight into the shadowy government.....Americans needed Schwarzkopf and the Gulf war to rally around....the Clinton presidency nuff said....9/11 conspiracist blamed us and got alot of air time...GWOT begain.....Obama presidency nuff said.....
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:39   #148
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I would disagree with his quote of eager to kill.

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Eager to kill?

The military is about killing or seriously wounding people in large numbers. That’s a necessary evil at best. It seems to me that volunteering*for such activities is akin to volunteering to be the executioner at your state prison. Somebody’s gotta do it, but*no one*should be*eager*to do it. And if a person*is*eager to do it, that person is almost certainly ignorant of what it means to kill or maim others or risk being killed or maimed, or they are mentally defective.
I would say its more the desire to win.
Mainly to ensure our way of life continues over someone else's way of life.

Don't see a line of immigrants going into North Korea, They have almost a pure conscripted Army. And most are eager to stay in their military so they have something to eat not a desire to win.

Also to keep our advantage in winning you need professional soldiers. who else is going to train and lead the conscripts if we have a need for some?
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Also to keep our advantage in winning you need professional soldiers. who else is going to train and lead the conscripts if we have a need for some?
I agree with you on this. I know my link is a long read but if you read far enough he touches on this point. Pilots, SOF, and other highly trained personal would fall in this category. As far as the rest of the occupations we can draft, easily train, and even win with them like in WWII.
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Old 10-18-2017, 12:05   #150
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I would disagree with his quote of eager to kill.



I would say its more the desire to win.
Mainly to ensure our way of life continues over someone else's way of life.

Don't see a line of immigrants going into North Korea, They have almost a pure conscripted Army. And most are eager to stay in their military so they have something to eat not a desire to win.

Also to keep our advantage in winning you need professional soldiers. who else is going to train and lead the conscripts if we have a need for some?
Agree. This individual is showing his low IQ.

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