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Old 02-16-2004, 20:42   #1
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Origin of the phrase "nous défions"

I am interested in the origin/history of the phrase "nous défions", which is associated with SF. I have conducted online searches, but with negative results. I know a little about it, but would like confirmation and a better understanding. I've most often seen it on SF artwork and 'unofficial insignia' clothing items.

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Old 02-16-2004, 21:12   #2
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Old 02-16-2004, 21:21   #3
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"We defy"

"We dare" is "Osons", which I believe is the motto of Canadian airborne forces. A number of French units whose heritage goes back to the WW2 SAS use the related "Qui ose, gagne", or "Who dares, wins."
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Old 02-17-2004, 00:42   #4
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Mott Lake, late '70s, Project Bluelight; which later became the SOT Course.

I have no idea who in Bluelight had the idea; or if it came from elsewhere. I remember seeing the motto publicly on T-Shirts AFTER Bluelight stood down and became a school house.
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Old 02-17-2004, 16:50   #5
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Oops, you're correct AL, 'we dare' would be 'osons'. My bad. 'Nous defion' can also be translated as 'We challenge'.
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Oops, you're correct AL, 'we dare' would be 'osons'. My bad. 'Nous defion' can also be translated as 'We challenge'.
Somewhere I've got my "Nous Defions" patch. If I can find it, I'll scan it and post the pic.

For now I'm gonna try to post a pic of SFODA-522, when we were instructors at Mott Lake, SOT-D.

OK, having trouble with the pic-error message says my pic is too large-don't know how to reduce it.

If anyone can host it, I'll send the pic by email. If it works, I got pics from SOAR past and Crhistmas pics from SFA ChXV, featuring COL Bob Howard, MOH, as guest speaker!!!

So alla y'all 'puter wonks hep a Brutha out!!!!!!!
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Old 01-16-2005, 21:16   #7
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You can send it to me at XXX@XXX and I'll post it for you in your original post.
Thanx Bro, Shot Out!!!!!!!!

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How's that?
Yeah, cool, jes thot I had it labelled, so I'll send you who everyone is.

Thanx NDD, 'preciate it!!!
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NDD-

2nd shot out!!!!

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Nous Defions Mola

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Somewhere I've got my "Nous Defions" patch. If I can find it, I'll scan it and post the pic.

For now I'm gonna try to post a pic of SFODA-522, when we were instructors at Mott Lake, SOT-D.

OK, having trouble with the pic-error message says my pic is too large-don't know how to reduce it.

If anyone can host it, I'll send the pic by email. If it works, I got pics from SOAR past and Christmas pics from SFA ChXV, featuring COL Bob Howard, MOH, as guest speaker!!!

So alla y'all 'puter wonks hep a Brutha out!!!!!!!
This pic was taken circa '82.

ODA-522, SOT-D, Mott Lake.

Standing-SSG Tim Brooks, SSg Fred Cox, SSG Mike Keevil, SSG Brad Arvidsson.

Kneeling-SFC Don Ringley, SFC Toby Todd, CPT Steve Aspera, SFC Gilbert Woods (Tm SGT), SFC Larry White.
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This pic was taken circa '82.

ODA-522, SOT-D, Mott Lake.

Standing-SSG Tim Brooks, SSg Fred Cox, SSG Mike Keevil, SSG Brad Arvidsson.

Kneeling-SFC Don Ringley, SFC Toby Todd, CPT Steve Aspera, SFC Gilbert Woods (Tm SGT), SFC Larry White.
Toby,

I was on ODA-514 in 83. (Out of all those names I only remember Don Ringley.)

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Toby,

I was on ODA-514 in 83. (Out of all those names I only remember Don Ringley.)

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I believe the team from CoA/1/5 was ODA-513, could be wrong tho. Paul Poole was the TS, Ben Butler, Gene Whitley, Jack (CRS last name, but doubled as the armorer at SOT-D), acuppola others.

There was also a 7th Gp team, as well. Ratman was on that team, and he and I worked Stress Reaction.

Geez, I suddenly feel old!!!!!

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Old 02-20-2004, 16:07   #14
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Razor, Airbornelawyer, Tracy:

Thanks for the replies and information.

The info I was given was that the term was used by WW2 French resistance movements. It was adopted by OSS elements that worked with the French, then carried over to SF when those same OSS elements founded SF from the ashes of OSS.

Below are some examples of artwork, patches, and clothing items w/ the design.

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Old 02-20-2004, 16:16   #15
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