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JJ_BPK 02-26-2020 15:31

PFAK - Clottting Agent?
 
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One of the guys on the SF List had a go-round with a kangaroo last nite. Took a good slash to his face. Applied some "Blood Stop" (he's on thinners). It doesn't look pretty. Went to his doc for chk & tetanus shot this AM. He's GTG, but still ugly..

He used Blood Stop..


Seems it's been a while since the topic was discussed here.

What is/are the current suggestions for OTC clotting agents for a PFAK for the family? :munchin

[quote: UPDATE]
I received a little more detail on the Blood Stop product. It was purchased at the feed store OTC.

ingredients:
Ferrous Sulfate • 7H20 ... 93%
Ammonium Alum ... 5%
Calcium Carbonate ... 2%

https://www.durvet.com/product/blood-stop-powder/
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Scimitar 02-26-2020 21:44

For animal use only :D

- Something something, don't worry, when he's got a few beers in him, he's an animal!
- Something something, they mean "for animal "injuries" use only, right?"
:cool:

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miclo18d 02-27-2020 04:20

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My god! Did we not learn anything from Saturday morning cartoons?

Badger52 02-27-2020 06:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 655806)
What is/are the current suggestions for OTC clotting agents for a PFAK for the family? :munchin

Tagged for same question.

(Ol' Sylvester having his usual Looney Tunes™ luck with that "big mouse", nice touch.)

G2squared 03-13-2020 23:45

What I have for PEOPLE.
 
So, you do realize that between the use of OTC and the pics that state for animal use, you’ve Kidd’s left the barn door open right?... might as well just rub some dirt on it and send him back out! I get that it might be perfectly useable on people, maybe even the same product used on people, but my supplies for IFAK are actually intended for use in people.
I have used and stock QuikClot. The videos show good results with arterial bleeding though I’ve never tested that. I’ve used their sponge on non-life threatening bleeding from knife wounds in the kitchen and it work well. I’ve also used a product called bleed cease for razor nicks. It’s a hairy fiber that sticks a lot to your face but does help stop minor bleeding.
I also have used WoundSeal powder. This is a little packet of powder that helps coagulate blood. It works well for minor bleeding but is a bit more unsightly that QuikClot because it dries on dark red/black. From your pics I’m guessing looks don’t matter based on pasties over the eyes....
I have some Celox “injectors” but have not had a need to use them yet. Mostly designed for puncture wounds/hole to apply deep into the wound. Theory is the same as QuikClot.
Older versions of products intended for hemorrhage control were essentially designed to give a “controlled” chemical burn cauterizing the wound. I’m not aware of current product that still do that but buyer beware.
If you have a FSA account with you healthcare plan, the first three listed above can be bought with it and QuikClot comes in several “trauma kit” bundles. FSAStore.com and even without FSA account you can buy there.

May I be so bold as to recommend a more tame companion like a sheep and using Velcro gloves? :D

The Reaper 03-14-2020 09:25

I like North American Rescue for emergency medical supplies.

https://www.narescue.com/

TR

miclo18d 03-15-2020 02:56

As I’m reading this at 4AM it may be incoherent,

I’ve been out of the game for over a decade now so I may not have all the current info on clotting agents, but as an 18D during the “war on terror” I was at the “tip of the spear (just the tip remind you!) of many of the clotting agents and techniques that are used today.

I’d like to point out that clotting agents were our LAST line of defense for MAJOR ARTERIAL bleeders NOT paper cuts, knife cuts, or facial lacs caused by giant mice!

Our number one go to for any bleed? Gauze

The importance of clotting agents is that it can quickly stop some serious arterial bleeding. There’s always a downside...it is fuck all for surgeons to clean up the after effect. One of the worst that seems to be in these kits sold on the civ side, is Quickclot (unless they’ve changed their agent). It is actually thermogenic and can “burn” the patient. We usually used chitosan bandages (the shrimp shell agent) most of the time and I had 1 full Hemcon bandage for use if the chitosan failed.

For all of the wounds that I treated in combat I did NOT once need a clotting agent.

To re emphasize, these agents have their place but in my opinion the will never replace an assortment of gauze rolls and squares and should only be used in life threatening cases.

For some one on blood thinners this may have seemed life threatening but it probably was not. It is good info to know that your patient is on such meds but you should start with tried and true....gauze. If your patient is going into shock from blood loss, say 500ml blood loss (say 1/2 qt), and you can’t stop the bleed and haven’t go replacement fluids...then this may be the time to consider, with reservation, the use of clotting agents.

YMMV MOO


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