America's Second Civil War
 

An interesting article given the left's reaction to the Trump presidency - California secession discussion, sanctuary city/state discussion, national security issues, border issues, trade policy, healthcare policy, tax policy, spending and nation debt/deficit policy, Europe's issues...etc., etc., interesting times...

America’s Second Civil War
Tuesday, Jan 24, 2017
Dennis Prager

It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.

In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents’ offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.

There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.

Liberalism — which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism — is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don’t call themselves conservative.

The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism.
Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation.

Just as in Western Europe, the left in America seeks to erase America’s Judeo-Christian foundations. The melting pot is regarded as nothing more than an anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic meme. The left suppresses free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech “hate speech.” To cite only one example, if you think Shakespeare is the greatest playwright or Bach is the greatest composer, you are a proponent of dead white European males and therefore racist.

Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? Obviously, there cannot.

There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.

How are those of us who oppose left-wing nihilism — there is no other word for an ideology that holds Western civilization and America’s core values in contempt — supposed to unite with “educators” who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students “boys” and “girls” because that implies gender identity? With English departments that don’t require reading Shakespeare in order to receive a degree in English? With those who regard virtually every war America has fought as imperialist and immoral? With those who regard the free market as a form of oppression? With those who want the state to control as much of American life as possible? With those who repeatedly tell America and its black minority that the greatest problems afflicting black Americans are caused by white racism, “white privilege” and “systemic racism”? With those who think that the nuclear family ideal is inherently misogynistic and homophobic? With those who hold that Israel is the villain in the Middle East? With those who claim that the term “Islamic terrorist” is an expression of religious bigotry?

The third significant difference between the First and Second Civil Wars is that in the Second Civil war, one side has been doing nearly all the fighting. That is how it has been able to take over schools — from elementary schools, to high schools, to universities — and indoctrinate America’s young people; how it has taken over nearly all the news media; and how it has taken over entertainment media.

The conservative side has lost on every one of these fronts because it has rarely fought back with anything near the ferocity with which the left fights. Name a Republican politician who has run against the left as opposed to running solely against his or her Democratic opponent. And nearly all American conservatives, people who are proud of America and affirm its basic tenets, readily send their children to schools that indoctrinate their children against everything the parents hold precious. A mere handful protest when their child’s teacher ceases calling their son a boy or their daughter a girl, or makes “slave owner” the defining characteristic of the Founding Fathers.

With the defeat of the left in the last presidential election, the defeat of the left in two-thirds of the gubernatorial elections and the defeat of the left in a majority of House and Senate elections, this is likely the last chance liberals, conservatives and the right have to defeat the American left. But it will not happen until these groups understand that we are fighting for the survival of America no less than the Union troops were in the First Civil War.

http://www.dennisprager.com/americas-second-civil-war/

This column was originally posted on Townhall.com.

We have arguably been in a domestic Cold War for a long time. The left may now be on a path to drag political differences into the street. What a mess.

I was going to post this same article this morning........too slow. :D

Great post Tonyz, and right on target. Prager hits the nail on the head IMO.

And for cross-thread points see my post in the Trump, Trade, and Diplomacy thread.

TJ read your post in the other thread and concur.

I saw the Prager article and thought it a bit provocative...last week...what a difference a week makes.

The Statist/Globalists and Schumer's of the world are indeed shitting themselves with Trump, Brexit and perhaps Le Pen...

ETA wanna see Statist heads explode - just wait until Trump nominates his pick for the Supreme Court, tonight.

Unhinged
 

The excerpt below is from an opinion piece in a U.K. publication - it provides some insight into plans for discomfort and inconvenience - aka more subversion. The entire article at link below.

Forget protest. Trump's actions warrant a general national strike
Francine Prose
The Guardian
Monday 30 January 2017 07.06 EST
Political movements rarely succeed without causing discomfort and inconvenience

Since Trump’s election, we’ve seen dozens of demonstrations – most notably, the Women’s March on Washington – that have reinforced our sense of solidarity and provided encouraging evidence of how many Americans oppose our government’s fundamentally anti-American agenda.

But the trouble is that these protests are too easily ignored and forgotten by those who wish to ignore and forget them. The barriers go up, the march takes place, the barriers come down. Everyone goes home happier.

One reason that Saturday’s protests were so effective was that, while peaceful, they were disruptive. Terminal Four was closed, incoming flights were delayed. One traveller wrote, on Twitter, that his fellow passengers applauded when their pilot announced the reason why their plane would be landing an hour behind schedule.

Taxi drivers went on strike in solidarity with the detainees, and arriving passengers were forced to find alternate ways on getting home. Many used Uber, a company whose CEO, Travis Kalanick, serves on Trump’s economic advisory board, and which thoughtfully suspended “surge pricing” to make it easier and cheaper to subvert the taxi strike.

The struggles for civil rights and Indian independence, against apartheid and the Vietnam war – it’s hard to think of a nonviolent movement that has succeeded without causing its opponents a certain amount of trouble, discomfort and inconvenience.

And economic boycotts – another sort of trouble and inconvenience – have proved remarkably successful in persuading companies to cease supporting repressive governments. Of course, nonviolence has often been met with violence, but one can only hope that our hearts have not so hardened that we, as a nation, would not be troubled and shamed by the spectacle of peaceful people being arrested and bloodied, as they were in Selma and Birmingham.

So what can we do to protest our current government’s callousness about our environment and our health, its rampant greed, its disrespect for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

I believe that what we need is a nonviolent national general strike of the kind that has been more common in Europe than here. Let’s designate a day on which no one (that is, anyone who can do so without being fired) goes to work, a day when no one shops or spends money, a day on which we truly make our economic and political power felt, a day when we make it clear: how many of us there are, how strong and committed we are, how much we can accomplish.

Meanwhile, I’m deleting my Uber account and adding Lyft (which donated generously to the ACLU) in its stead. Leaving Uber is not uncomplicated, and it’s taken me the better part of a day to persuade them to let me go. But in the process, the site asks subscribers why they are leaving, and it’s a pleasure – a small pleasure, but a pleasure nonetheless – to let them know.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sts-disruption

It's sad all these progressives actually believe the drivel they produce.

Trump sees it for what it is.
He's forcing their hand before they're ready.

The Constitution slowed the progressives and globalists just enough to allow for a response which need not be openly violent.
It's almost like the Founding Fathers designed the Constitution that way on purpose...

The left has had 24 years of appeasement, Clinton, Bush and Obama, I include Bush because I think he was anything but a fiscal conservative. Now we have DJT and he is handing out some tough love and the lefties are beside themselves. I feel their pain.

Unhinged and subverting Trump at every turn...excerpt below - complete list of rules at link. Unbelievable.

7 Rules for Resistance
Huffington Post
01/31/2017 11:40 am ET

Now you may think that some of these practices are extreme. End friendships? Shame family members? But let me ask you this: if it were 1933, and you had a friend who was a Nazi fanboy, and you knew the havoc that Hitler would wreak upon the world, is there anything you would stop short of to change his mind? Use that as your guide. Yeah, it’s that kind of emergency. Your cause is just: 7 billion earthlings think so. So be bold; the rest of the planet has your back. Go make your descendants proud.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b080b3dad6fb08

Only 7 Billion?

Spot on

Go ahead snowflakes; I guarantee the HuffBlo has your back. I don't think I know anyone who would try to shame me and end our friendship publicly over this tripe. My reaction would be like Curly Bill anyway. I feel so alone.

Trump does seem to be forcing their hand, but what is he going to do with it and how far are people willing to go to back him up?


What is going on kind of reminds me of the Arab Spring and the Color Revolutions.

The support for opposition to the Statist/Globalist agenda appears strong but the left is well organized, well funded and ruthless.

Well Brush...in 2014, a liberal immigration organization sure thought that Obama had very broad authority in the area of immigration law...

The President’s Broad Legal Authority to Act on Immigration
AUGUST 2014

https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigrat...cauthorityimm/

You miss my point...what is good for the goose...libs should have realized that result oriented reasoning can someday come back to bite them in the ass. That time has come and that is one reason they are wailing so loudly and gnashing teeth...elections have consequences...even for libs...

what is best in life...

"Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their sissy boy ex-president."

My apologies. Anyway, so much is going to haunt libs..."nuclear option" - "executive authority" etc., etc. ...this is not going to be pretty.

I have a considerable number of social media contacts, mostly former co-worker peers and employees, who have taken a very active role in immediately protesting the new administration.

The overall group average is strongly supportive of the disruption and inconvenience theme, particularly airports.

I am finding it hard to come up with a worse idea to generate support for an opposition movement than to mess with people traveling for work or personal reasons.

The 90% in the middle will grow to hate them.

So I'm all for the left messing with airport travel, as the negative 1st, 2nd, 3rd order effects for the lefty opposition will "be huuuuuge"(I'm my Trump voice).

I only hope they don't learn from their mistakes and don't iterate.

Much like the horrible failure of the Occupy Movement.

Forget about the nuclear clock, I'd like to see someone take a crack at building one for civil insurrection/war.

I'm just waiting for the lefties to go all "FerguMoreLand" and find out the police have new orders and the DOJ only ask...was there any discrimination involved? No! We treated all the violent protesters the same, and they all bled the same color red.



BTW - whatever happened to Sheriff Clark?

FerguMoreLand = Ferguson+Baltimore+Cleveland

CWII? That could also stand for Cold War Part Deaux since the opposing philosphies are about the same as in Cold War, the Prequel. Just like in WWII, the other side got a early start. Only this time that headstart was something like 50+ years.

Let's meet a member of the offensive team. A graduate of Marxist State and expelled from the Socialist Workers for being too radical, it's Socialist Action.

Here are some key notes from SA's playbook (on their About page):

Class Struggle & Independence: We believe that the world is divided into opposing social classes, and that the main driving force of modern history is the struggle between the working class and the capitalist class. We are active partisans of the working class and believe in the need for independent working class politics – not alliances with the capitalists, or any wing of that class. That is why we call for workers to break from the Democratic Party to build a Labor Party based on the trade unions (they're coming for you too, Pelosi). In all of our political work we seek to get workers to see and think of themselves in terms of class, and to recognize that their class interests are diametrically opposed to that of the capitalists.

Revolution: We believe that the state and all of its institutions are instruments of the ruling class, and that therefore they cannot be used as tools of the working class, but have to be smashed. That is why we fight for revolution, instead of for seeking to merely reform or work within the system. When we fight for specific reforms we do so only with the understanding that in the final analysis real social change can only come about with the overthrow of capitalism (they mean the US and western civilization), and the establishment of a workers’ government.

Here comes identity politics folks. Divide an conquer. Doesn't this next section sound a lot like every progressive or Democrat you've ever heard?
The Specially Oppressed & Oppressed Nationalities: We support the struggles of those who are specially oppressed under capitalism – women, queers, national minorities, etc. We support and help build autonomous movements for the oppressed so that they can articulate their own demands, and develop political consciousness as a group. We support the right of self-determination for oppressed nationalities, including Blacks, Chicanos & Puerto Ricans.

Permanent Revolution: This famous theory by Leon Trotsky (yes, that Trotsky!) holds that revolution in modern times, even in under-developed countries, has to be led by the working class and has to be a fully fledged socialist revolution – revolution cannot go through stages and cannot be made in alliance with any wing of the capitalist class. To be ultimately successful it also needs to be an international revolution. We believe that a successful socialist revolution will result in a workers’ government that is based on elected workers’ councils.

If you still think they sound like a lovely bunch, this Socialist Action, then I invite you to read this article posted on their website: How to Make a Revolution.

^^^Working Class my ASS! These F_cksticks have never had a real job their entire lives and they want to fight for the right to live off their parents and the system (simply) put forth by capitalists with guilty feelings from their success.

These are the same people that drive a f_cking Prius (with a Gore'08 bumper sticker) in the HOV lane and slow down to the same speed as the general purpose lanes in slog hour filled with the working class to show unity. HOV guilt!!!

Also I thought SA stood for Sal Alinsky or maybe it does. 8-rules for radicals.

Ya know the next thing these SJW are gonna sport is Green Beret so they can say they are fighting for the Oppressed. (Better buy stock in Rainbow tie-dye Che Guvera shirts, there's gonna be run on them.)

I love your viseral reply, brother! Go to their website (use a proxy!) and really get pissed off. BTW, I always associated SA with Hitler's Sturmabteilung, also called the Brownshirts. To me, this seems apropos given the similar tactics.

Your and ODNT assessments are right on point! These are the neo-fascists, and the alignment of the progressive Left with these clowns will spell the demise of the Democrat party IMO.

I say that because if you listen to the rhetoric coming from candidates for the DNC Chair, they are doubling down on the failed identity politics.

Liberalism, at least in the sense represented by the likes of Archibald Macleish (1930's) and JFK/RFK (1960s) is dead!

Liberalism of old is being co-opted by organizations like Occupy Democrats (neo-fascists) and they are following Saul Alinsky's playbook. If these fools think that the unions will align with them they have really misread the shifting dynamic here. Even in a union town like Philadelphia, the union leadership is shifting towards the Trump brand of Populism. (The membership did that in the last election).

My guess is that these neo-fascist groups are organized with and by Soros money. I say go for it boys and girls. This will ultimately result in your self-marginalization and I won't have to listen to the likes of Pocahontas Warren or Crooked Hillary ever again!

Bottom line: If Trump is successful, and I believe he will be, there will be a realignment of global politics that will last for at least the next 50 years.

Some never learn the lessons from Animal Farm. The Perpetual Revolution only begets a new elite class. Eventually, one of them does not want to let go of the power and kills all the opposition.

My gut instinct right now is telling me the same. ;)

Is the conservative side finially joining the fight? Well, there is no conservative side if we're referring anything resembling an organized political movement. Conservatives tend to come together in short-term crisis mode, then return to their lives once that particular crisis has passed.

Fuck them. Who cares what they feel.

No reason whatsoever to care how they feel (particularly after the past 8 years) but we conservatives generally hold ourselves to higher standards than liberals. Timely article below recognizes this phenomena.

That valuable middle ground of voters will undoubtably recognize this as well - if the liberal legislators continue their current immature behavior.

We have the high ground, all three branches of governement, and the best ideas. We do need to minimize cannablizing our own and push through a productive agenda. No gridlock. Limited government, lower taxes, strong national security, safe cities, improved education for all, better healthcare, individual liberty, energy independence, strong borders, fair trade, E pluribus unum.

BLM, Occupy Wall Street, high taxes, Obamacare, multicutluralism, open borders, unbridled immigration, anarchy and street violence...not so much. One need only look around the world...

Lower Conduct Standards for Liberals
Walter E. WilliamsWalter E. Williams|Posted: Feb 01, 2017 12:01 AM
Town hall

One can only imagine the widespread media, political and intellectual condemnation of Republicans and conservatives if, after the inauguration of Barack Obama, they had gone on a violent and vicious tear all over the nation as did Democrats and liberals after the inauguration of President Donald Trump. They committed acts such as assaulting Trump supporters, setting fires and stoning police.

Suppose Republicans/conservatives had carried signs that read "F--- Obama" or talked about "blowing up the White House." The news media, instead of calling them protesters, would have labeled them evil racists, obstructionists and everything else except a child of God. The reason for the difference in treatment is simple. Republicans and conservatives are held -- and hold themselves -- to higher standards of behavior. By contrast, Democrats and liberals are held -- and hold themselves -- to less civilized standards of behavior. Let's look at some of the history of conservative and liberal behavior.

One of the nastiest more recent liberal events was the Occupy movement around the nation. During Occupy protests, there were rapes, assaults, robberies and holdups. These people publicly defecated and urinated on police cars. The mess they left after their demonstrations can be described as no more than a pigsty. Does anybody recall any Democratic official, from the president on down, admonishing them to behave? Contrast their behavior with that of tea party protesters. Tea partyers didn't set fires, stone police or engage in the other kinds of despicable behavior the liberal Democrats did. On top of that, they left the areas where they protested clean.

Ask yourself whether you have ever seen Republicans/conservatives rioting, turning over police cars, looting, setting places of business on fire and shouting obscenities while marching. Have you ever seen conservatives marching with chants calling for the murder of police officers? You may have heard liberals yelling, "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" In fact, virtually all of the violence against police -- whether it's throwing stones, ambushing or murdering -- is committed by liberals or people who'd identify as Democrats. The fact of the matter is that if we were to examine criminality in America -- whether talking about murderers, muggers or prisoners -- it would be dominated by people who would be described as liberals, Democrats and Hillary Clinton supporters.

Democrats and liberals accuse Republicans of conducting a war on women. Assault, rape and murder are the worst things that can be done to a woman. I would bet a lot of money that most of the assaults, rapes and murders of women are done by people who identify as liberals, and if they voted or had a party affiliation, it would be Democratic.

One of the most glaring examples of how liberals are held to lower standards comes when we look at what they control. The nation's most dangerous big cities in 2012 were Detroit, Oakland, St. Louis, Memphis, Stockton, Birmingham, Baltimore, Cleveland, Atlanta and Milwaukee. The most common characteristic of these cities is that for decades, all of them have been run by Democratic and presumably liberal administrations. Some cities -- such as Detroit, Buffalo, Newark and Philadelphia -- haven't elected a Republican mayor for more than a half-century. It's not just personal safety. These Democratic-controlled cities have the poorest-quality public education despite the fact that they have large and growing school budgets. Most of these dangerous cities have suffered massive decreases in population. Some observers have suggested that racism has caused white flight to the suburbs. But these observers ignore the fact that black flight has become increasingly significant. It turns out that black people do not like to be mugged and live in unsafe neighborhoods any more than white people.

Republicans and conservatives, including President Trump, should not gripe or whine about different treatment by the liberal media. Magnanimity commands that we have compassion and try to understand our fallen brethren. We should make every effort to sell them on the moral superiority of personal liberty and its main ingredient -- limited government.

http://townhall.com/columnists/walte...&newsletterad=

I'm afraid the nuance is lost on liberals. What they do understand though is a good ass kicking.

I know it's a minor point, but I suggest we no longer refer to the Occupy Democrats and various other agi-prop groups as Liberals. This would also include the new Democrat party - i.e. Schumer, Warren, Pelozi, and the like.

These clowns are anything but in the true meaning of Liberal as exemplified by Archibald Macleish (1930' and 40's) or John F. Kennedy (1960's).

Their tactics, their messaging, their rhetoric, and their philosophy is more accurately called "Neo-Fascist". Therefore, from now on, I will refer to these clowns as either the "Left" or more accurately, "Neo-Fascists". They simply are not worthy of being referred to as Liberal.

YMMV

Why not "communists" or "socialists"? Many of them adhere to Marx's teachings. Socialist Action even has a Marxist Education section on their website. One of Lenin's main tactics in bringing down the Czar (before open warfare) was anarchy. Today we're seeing the same playbook.

Sarah Silverman calls for military overthrow of legitimate government.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ent-trump.html

Sounds like Ms. Silverman should be indicted for sedition. These people need to be taught a lesson about the rule of law.

I've gotta think that calling for a Coup and inciting violence warrants a visit and temporary survellience at least. These useful idiots all walk so close to the line they have chalk on their shoes...these idiots (Madonna, Handler, Silverman, etc.,) must know that they whip up the masses.

Didn't George cLOONEY and several of his friends call for a Hollywood strike until Trump resigns? Really wish they'd go ahead and follow through with that...of course, I'm sure most of them are living in their beloved Canada, now. Oh...that's right, Canada's immigration policies prevented them from easily walking in and setting up shop. It's strange how they never say, "I'm moving to Mexico!" or Venezuela, where so many of them advocated for Maduro and his brand of socialism. Maybe we can convince them to rally in the forgiving streets of Asadabad.

I'd rather like to see it as a chalk outline. :D

Sarah Silverman has the IQ of a condom
 

And the people that actually listen to her, even lower.