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The Reaper 12-13-2014 15:43

The Russians were desperate and their backs were against the wall in WW II.

An urban sniper (or even an entrenched one) does not necessarily have the physical requirements that infantrymen or SF soldiers do.

TR

WarriorDiplomat 12-14-2014 17:01

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 570035)
The Russians were desperate and their backs were against the wall in WW II.

An urban sniper (or even an entrenched one) does not necessarily have the physical requirements that infantrymen or SF soldiers do.

TR


Absolutely correct TR, a 4 lb trigger squueze is not remotely close to the physical rigors of infantry type operations. The circumstances were much different and every country that used women to some success were countries forced into it through unique circumstances. Even the world of spies used women as in the infamous ratlines were out of necessity and circumstances not design. When countries want to project their power and must design this tactic they put their most impressive specimens into the spotlight in essence a ruse. In countries where the prospect of war is reality the image of the enemy can make all the difference in the world to whether or not the people will support the effort aggressively or reluctantly if at all.

As you have said before we drink this Kool aid the circumstances were in reality that we are talking about layers from the best, strongest, fittest soldiers available and were so dilapidated they were FORCED to use anyone who could pull a trigger. By the time this happened the enemy was dilapidated as well. Had the Russian military at that time used women in an equal role from the beginning the Russians would IMO been annihilated worse than they already were and the Germans would have owned Stalingrad instead of losing through attrition.

PSM 04-23-2019 21:49

Well, I guess that this is the best place to post this:

My wife ran into some AIT Soldiers from the fort who regularly run LANDNAV training where she volunteers. Today (Tuesday) they showed up in civies. One female was wearing long dangling earrings, high heels, and carrying a purse. I hope that this was some kind of clandestine ops training or we are seriously in trouble. I actually asked my wife if she was sure that it was a female.

Box 04-24-2019 07:04

Have none of you jokers seen 'Hunger Games' yet?
Or the new 'Star Wars' trilogy?
Mr and Mrs Smith?
Atomic Blonde?
...for fuck sake ANY of the Marvel movies?

There are tons of proof that women can rock-it in combat. Rey picked up a light saber and with ZERO force training - she kicked the shit out of a dark side force user so powerful that Luke fucking Skywalker was afraid of him.
and she WHUPED.HIS.ASS

Jane Smith beat the hell out of the guy that invented fight club - and she only let him live because she wanted some sex.

Katniss?
...fuck - I dont even need to defend Katniss - that bitch is pure 100% unadulterated Grade-A Prime top quality bad assery
but you all knew that already


If women couldn't do all of this shit - they wouldn't make movies about the women that can do all of this shit.



See - it breaks down like this - we cant just memorialize and hold dear the remembrance of women like Molly Pitcher (not her real name) we have to retcon her entire existence - how dare American history suggest that all a woman was good for was carrying and delivering water to them "men" on the battlefield - how dare we play up her bravery in helping to run the canon when her man went down.
Her oppressive husband probably forced her to leave her executive position with IBM so she could bring him and his buddies drinks while they were out playing with the period context assault weapons.


But maybe
juuust maaaaaybe - Mary Ludwig Hays was the right person in the right place at the right time and lives were saved because of her effort. Maybe putting her in the front rank of a bayonet charge to show that she could carry a musket would have been better for womens rights and equality -
but maybe
just maaaaaybe - people should consider that sometimes it is ok to just be a regular person in the right place at the right time.

Maybe these women that want to break barriers for personal gain and glory actually fall short of earning respect due of someone that puts the needs of the team first.


Anyway - I got to run - I am going to start training for the "women over 50" cage fighting championships - I am pretty certain if I wear pink and let my hair grow that I could at least get into the quarter finals in my age group.

Streck-Fu 04-25-2019 11:17

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Originally Posted by Box (Post 651146)
Have none of you jokers seen 'Hunger Games' yet?
Or the new 'Star Wars' trilogy?
Mr and Mrs Smith?
Atomic Blonde?
...for fuck sake ANY of the Marvel movies?

Or the show "The Americans" where female Soviet spies in American can out box a 6'5" MMA type guy.

Box 04-25-2019 12:46

How such a beautiful creature as the typical American Woman can cause so much division and hostility simply by existing will always be a mystery to me.

The best possible demonstration of equality on the battle field is how we treat something as simple as a punch in the face.
If a man starts some shit and momentarily lets his mouth overpower his physical prowess, resulting in a punch in the face - we generally tend to agree that he got what was coming to him, and hope that he learned a lesson. If he drops to the floor, unconscious, from a single punch - then the guy throwing that punch is held in high esteem - a scrapper that isn't to be trifled with.

If a female starts some shit - manages to back down a male purely by the tone of her voice, yet decides to press her aggression, clearly intent on pushing the matter until it escalates into physical violence, clearly unapologetic for her actions and completely disrespectful in her demeanor -
it is INAPPROPRIATE for us to call her a bitch
it is UNACCEPTABLE to her in the face
if that same punch should find its way to the center of her face - the guy throwing that punch is done for
...because you dont hit girls

In a society that thinks you cant punch a woman in the face without being stigmatized as a social degenerate and abuser - you will NEVER
EVER
EVER EVER EVER
...find true equality.

True equality means that anyone who runs their mouth can be punched in the face by somebody who is sick of putting up with bullshit.


Combat does not care if you get punched in the face - being raised in a culture that teaches that punch a man in the face is bad but punching a woman in the face is a mortal sin is going to get someone killed in combat.

I was taught that it is NOT ok to punch a woman in the face and I still believe that to be true. 'Rasslin with one is ok - in fact, I encourage it.

But hey - lets continue to pretend that we are all the same.

PedOncoDoc 04-25-2019 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 651175)
How such a beautiful creature as the typical American Woman can cause so much division and hostility simply by existing will always be a mystery to me.

The best possible demonstration of equality on the battle field is how we treat something as simple as a punch in the face.
If a man starts some shit and momentarily lets his mouth overpower his physical prowess, resulting in a punch in the face - we generally tend to agree that he got what was coming to him, and hope that he learned a lesson. If he drops to the floor, unconscious, from a single punch - then the guy throwing that punch is held in high esteem - a scrapper that isn't to be trifled with.

If a female starts some shit - manages to back down a male purely by the tone of her voice, yet decides to press her aggression, clearly intent on pushing the matter until it escalates into physical violence, clearly unapologetic for her actions and completely disrespectful in her demeanor -
it is INAPPROPRIATE for us to call her a bitch
it is UNACCEPTABLE to her in the face
if that same punch should find its way to the center of her face - the guy throwing that punch is done for
...because you dont hit girls

In a society that thinks you cant punch a woman in the face without being stigmatized as a social degenerate and abuser - you will NEVER
EVER
EVER EVER EVER
...find true equality.

True equality means that anyone who runs their mouth can be punched in the face by somebody who is sick of putting up with bullshit.


Combat does not care if you get punched in the face - being raised in a culture that teaches that punch a man in the face is bad but punching a woman in the face is a mortal sin is going to get someone killed in combat.

I was taught that it is NOT ok to punch a woman in the face and I still believe that to be true. 'Rasslin with one is ok - in fact, I encourage it.

But hey - lets continue to pretend that we are all the same.

I'd love to see the courts have to make a ruling on a case where a man punches out some female publicly gets in his face and is menacing him uses the defense, "I do not discriminate based upon gender when defending myself from a perceived threat."

Box 04-25-2019 13:57

...shit, the 9th circus would have the poor bastard hung at sun-up

cbtengr 04-25-2019 18:34

Never punched a woman but in 1970 I had the pleasure of punching a girl named Margaret full in the face. She was a fat merciless bully who rode my bus and thought because she was a girl she could not be hit. She sucker punched me one day on the way into freshman History class and I turned around and laid her out, the teacher saw the whole thing and informed me that I was not to hit a "Girl" to which I referred to Margaret as a certain type of farm animal and continued on into class. Nothing ever came of it. She never picked on me again.

Old Dog New Trick 04-26-2019 17:19

That’s it...I’m going to reserve my right to punch more women in the face when they speak stupidity. At some point when I explain “equality” they will understand.

I will test this new theory by wearing a red MAGA hat and see where that gets me. If the desired reaction is not achieved I will simply shoot them in the face and say I was in fear for my life.

P.S. Both of the above statements should be in pink for sarcasm although I could re-train myself to be more misogynistic and hateful of feminists as other hateful and misguided people become prevalent.

cbtengr 04-26-2019 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 651198)
That’s it...I’m going to reserve my right to punch more women in the face when they speak stupidity. At some point when I explain “equality” they will understand.

I will test this new theory by wearing a red MAGA hat and see where that gets me. If the desired reaction is not achieved I will simply shoot them in the face and say I was in fear for my life.

P.S. Both of the above statements should be in pink for sarcasm although I could re-train myself to be more misogynistic and hateful of feminists as other hateful and misguided people become prevalent.


When it comes down to it women can do the same things as any man except take a punch in the face from a man. Call me old fashioned but I do not believe that women should be in combat units with men.

Razor 04-26-2019 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Box (Post 651146)
Have none of you jokers seen 'Hunger Games' yet?
Or the new 'Star Wars' trilogy?
Mr and Mrs Smith?
Atomic Blonde?
...for fuck sake ANY of the Marvel movies?

Add the latest John Wick, apparently.


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